There's been a lot of speculation about the timeline after part 9, because (maybe for the first time) we got an explicit reference to the date of the events when they found major Briggs' message and then we got the apparently conflicting date during Bill Hastings' interrogatory. Now the latter was confirmed not to be an issue (and it wouldn't have been imho even if it were actually 9/20 in SD, as that plotline is tied up with the one in Vegas more than with the one in Twin Peaks), but still I was doing some research on dates mentioned in this season and I noticed something I had missed before.
I guess you all remember the scene in part 7 during which Andy is waiting for the farmer (at 4.30 pm) but he doesn't show up. Now during that scene we get a looong close up of Andy's wristwatch. The obvious purpose of that shot is to show us how it's well past 4.30, but there's another detail. As you can see in the picture attached, it's the kind of watch that also gives you the day of the month and there's a 10. One of the things I've seen a lot of people complaining about is how the farmer's no show has no consequence and Andy acts as if nothing happen in part 9. But considering the date in the watch we can presume that: a) Andy does a very sloppy job of keeping his watch up to date; b) the date it's correct and it's 9/10, basically 19 days before the events of part 9; c) the date it's correct and it's 10/10, 11 days after the events of part 9 and 8-9 days after the dates in Major Briggs and whatever we'll happen at that time. Now, assuming one of the first two options is the right one, those complaining are right in that it would seem that the scene led to a dead end (if A is correct) or (if B is correct) to something that has already happened and we'll be shown later, in which case it's starting to get a little too convoluted of a narration and/or likely something not that important or shocking (as all the law enforcement people seemed pretty cool). Now this would be a little disappointing, as we saw that the farmer was important because at his place there was his truck, which happened to be the same Richard was driving when he ran over the child.
All of this has me leaning towards option C and I think it might have some interesting consequences. These are just my theories, so correct me if I have missed something. Those events will happen on October 10, which would explain the lack of consequences for the farmer's no show and why everyone is doing fine even though that guy had the truck with which a little child was run over and killed, the kind of tragic event that would shock a community, especially a small one like Twin Peaks. What else is there? The guy didn't show up and was afraid when Andy was at his place. Why? I have two ideas: a) Richard has already killed the boy, he brings back the truck, he's there when Andy comes (likely to investigate about the truck, considering there were quite a few witnesses that could have given at least a thorough description of the vehicle) and that's why the farmer is nervous, then after Andy leaves the farmer is killed (by Richard or maybe even Red) to prevent him from talking with the police; b) Andy is there to talk with the Farmer about some trivial things, maybe the drug dealers are there or nearby (having the meeting we saw), which makes him nervous and forces him to postpone his talk with Andy; but then Richard steals his truck, so he's not able to go meet Andy and Richard kills the boy. I definitely like the latter a lot more, either way I think that the farmer or the boy died at 4.30 and Richard is involved. This could tie with the Richard and Linda 430 the giant told at the very beginning of part 1 to Coop, a scene that I've always firmly believed to be set in the future and I got more and more sure as the show went on from some details (i.e. knowing that the place seems to be the same in part 8 where Senorita Dido sits before the Giant arrives and not the Lodge/Waiting Room where Coop was before). Now of course there are some holes that need to be filled, but I think there's something interesting and promising here.
Whoa, it's like one of those logic puzzles.
Good eye and very interesting theories. I think you may be on to something....or multiple somethings.
I always thought that the number on the side of a watch reflects the day not the month and so the day on Andy's watch would be 10th of the month not the 10th month and so the date could be 10th of September.
I always thought that the number on the side of a watch reflects the day not the month and so the day on Andy's watch would be 10th of the month not the 10th month and so the date could be 10th of September.
You'd better give it a second read or at least read the whole thing before giving an answer 😉
Awesome finding. ?
AThat Rolex date is the key.
You might be on to something, it would be odd if the date on the watch is a mistake.
Although for me, it becomes way too hard to keep up with everything if I try to throw in different timelines, it's already confusing as it is 😀
My only way of explaining the wrong date on Andy's watch is to blame it on his character being "goofy". Remember, in this episode Lucy said that she and Andy woke up and didn't know what time it was and that time stood still (or something like that).
Can I just say there might be a bit of confusion around month/day and day/month methods??
If Andy's watch shows 10 - it could be 10th September (9/10 in US money!) or 10th October (10/10)?
It's just that 9/10 translates as 9th October for some of us. {and October being the 8th month just really helps, obviously! }
You made a deep analysis and I agree with your points on the details. On the other hand it's the bigger picture that doesn't quite click to me. I mean, why the Giant would give Cooper the coordinates of a simple murder? I feel there must be something supernatural related to that message, possibly something that has really something to do with time shifts or amnesia (I still think about Lucy and her talk with Chad about hers and Andy's experience of the inhabilty to "catch the time")
I also think there is a tendency in this and other forums to watch at the "time" in Twin Peaks like it's a matter of how Lynch puts the pieces, as if he's playing with us. But all this "time enigma", considering the FWWM scene with Philip Jeffries, can be much deeper than that.
I don't think it was October 10, I think it was September.
And I might have a theory why 2 timelines are presented in the show : the 1st early September around Andy's Rolex, the 2nd late September around Briggs' piece of paper.
The 2nd we all know leads to the big event that's gonna happen in the dates 10/1, 10/2.
The 1st, I'm guessing will somehow lead us to the previous big event of which we've seen the outcome : Hastings and Davenport meeting Briggs in the Zone.
I don't think it was October 10, I think it was September.
And I might have a theory why 2 timelines are presented in the show : the 1st early September around Andy's Rolex, the 2nd late September around Briggs' piece of paper.
The 2nd we all know leads to the big event that's gonna happen in the dates 10/1, 10/2.
The 1st, I'm guessing will somehow lead us to the previous big event of which we've seen the outcome : Hastings and Davenport meeting Briggs in the Zone.
Oooooh, that would be interesting!
I think I'm going to have to stick with 'early Sept & early Oct as the dates are killing me...
I also think there is a tendency in this and other forums to watch at the "time" in Twin Peaks like it's a matter of how Lynch puts the pieces, as if he's playing with us. But all this "time enigma", considering the FWWM scene with Philip Jeffries, can be much deeper than that.
I'm not sure I got what your saying, but personally I don't think of it as Lynch playing with us. I think time is used by Lynch on two different levels:
1) one it's the technique/style of the narration, using non linear timelines, showing events in a non chronological order to accomplish different purposes;
2) the other is as a theme among many other metaphysical issues.
And sometimes the two things go hand in hand, as the non linearity of the narration is functional to some irregular patterns in time or any other kind of idea about time.
I'm not sure if the latter is relevant here, we probably need something more. As of now I think it might be just a stylistical choice, but I don't know of course.
And I'd say I agree with you when you say you would expect the giant to take an interest in things more important than that (although one can argue that: a) he gave Coop clues about Laura murder as well; b) considering the scene with Carl after the boy dies, there could be something more about that murder). But I usually only like to work with the pieces of evidence I have and especially with a show as unpredictable as Twin Peaks if I don't do that I feel like I'm just taking wild guesses. The point being, there's probably a lot more, as I said there are many holes to be filled, I can't presume that I have a thorough and exhaustive theory, but I guess there could be a link between all these things and it could be worth it paying attention to future developments about this.
As for the 10 standing for september 10: yup, it's definitely a possibility, after all in the scenes set in september 29 we didn't see Andy, nor Richard.
Oooooh, that would be interesting!
I think I'm going to have to stick with 'early Sept & early Oct as the dates are killing me...
I knoww rightt? That Briggs in the Zone scene is such a waste to get mentioned only. I think it's quite possible we will get to see it.
There's been a lot of speculation about the timeline after part 9, because (maybe for the first time) we got an explicit reference to the date of the events when they found major Briggs' message and then we got the apparently conflicting date during Bill Hastings' interrogatory. Now the latter was confirmed not to be an issue (and it wouldn't have been imho even if it were actually 9/20 in SD, as that plotline is tied up with the one in Vegas more than with the one in Twin Peaks), but still I was doing some research on dates mentioned in this season and I noticed something I had missed before.
I guess you all remember the scene in part 7 during which Andy is waiting for the farmer (at 4.30 pm) but he doesn't show up. Now during that scene we get a looong close up of Andy's wristwatch. The obvious purpose of that shot is to show us how it's well past 4.30, but there's another detail. As you can see in the picture attached, it's the kind of watch that also gives you the day of the month and there's a 10. One of the things I've seen a lot of people complaining about is how the farmer's no show has no consequence and Andy acts as if nothing happen in part 9. But considering the date in the watch we can presume that: a) Andy does a very sloppy job of keeping his watch up to date; b) the date it's correct and it's 9/10, basically 19 days before the events of part 9; c) the date it's correct and it's 10/10, 11 days after the events of part 9 and 8-9 days after the dates in Major Briggs and whatever we'll happen at that time. Now, assuming one of the first two options is the right one, those complaining are right in that it would seem that the scene led to a dead end (if A is correct) or (if B is correct) to something that has already happened and we'll be shown later, in which case it's starting to get a little too convoluted of a narration and/or likely something not that important or shocking (as all the law enforcement people seemed pretty cool). Now this would be a little disappointing, as we saw that the farmer was important because at his place there was his truck, which happened to be the same Richard was driving when he ran over the child.
All of this has me leaning towards option C and I think it might have some interesting consequences. These are just my theories, so correct me if I have missed something. Those events will happen on October 10, which would explain the lack of consequences for the farmer's no show and why everyone is doing fine even though that guy had the truck with which a little child was run over and killed, the kind of tragic event that would shock a community, especially a small one like Twin Peaks. What else is there? The guy didn't show up and was afraid when Andy was at his place. Why? I have two ideas: a) Richard has already killed the boy, he brings back the truck, he's there when Andy comes (likely to investigate about the truck, considering there were quite a few witnesses that could have given at least a thorough description of the vehicle) and that's why the farmer is nervous, then after Andy leaves the farmer is killed (by Richard or maybe even Red) to prevent him from talking with the police; b) Andy is there to talk with the Farmer about some trivial things, maybe the drug dealers are there or nearby (having the meeting we saw), which makes him nervous and forces him to postpone his talk with Andy; but then Richard steals his truck, so he's not able to go meet Andy and Richard kills the boy. I definitely like the latter a lot more, either way I think that the farmer or the boy died at 4.30 and Richard is involved. This could tie with the Richard and Linda 430 the giant told at the very beginning of part 1 to Coop, a scene that I've always firmly believed to be set in the future and I got more and more sure as the show went on from some details (i.e. knowing that the place seems to be the same in part 8 where Senorita Dido sits before the Giant arrives and not the Lodge/Waiting Room where Coop was before). Now of course there are some holes that need to be filled, but I think there's something interesting and promising here.
As I've said before, I also think that it is in the future, as Coop's response to the Giant is: "I understand." He wouldn't if he was still in the BL, unaware of what has been happening in our world for 25 years.
Can I just say there might be a bit of confusion around month/day and day/month methods??
If Andy's watch shows 10 - it could be 10th September (9/10 in US money!) or 10th October (10/10)?
It's just that 9/10 translates as 9th October for some of us. {and October being the 8th month just really helps, obviously! }
In the U.S., a split-second reaction to seeing "25-12" as a date is to think "there's no 25th. month." Just a matter of what we're used to.
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