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"the thread will be torn"

Posted : 16/07/2017 11:49 pm
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John Justice Wheeler could also be Richard's father as he took Audrey's virginity near the end of season 2

Yeah, this seems more likely to me, and probably he never came back from that business trip, leaving Richard fatherless.  Also a link here to Mr. C, maybe: Wheeler was headed to Brazil and Mr. C's drug mansion was outside of Rio de Janerio; also we know Mr. C and Jeffries were active in South America.  Wheeler maybe was killed by Mr. C in Brazil, who then became involved in the business-crime networks there.  Also, Wheeler may have changed his activity, become more ruthless, and just simply abandoned Audrey; which would seem to fit for someone who would eventually be forced to deal only for his own interest 'beyond all bounds' in the business world.   Maybe he is even there, but we havent seen him yet. 

Johnny seemed also like an opposite aspect of Richard, the one humiliated by Red: tied up in that chair, watching pain inflicted on him, unable to do anything etc., so that when he is 'let out' he goes to the opposite extreme and runs into the wall; almost like Richard who goes from crying to jumping the car line and hitting the kid.  Richard, no father, or a story we havent heard yet; and Johnny, who had Ben Horne as a father who clearly cared little to nothing about his family and had given up on Johnny; but now seems to want to try and right things, until Sylvia gets a hold of him.....

Also, the picture on the head of the robotic teddy bear was of the obscene and violent father from Dumbland, just telling him hello over and over while he is tied up(Johnny is probably dreaming of 'running wild' as soon as he gets the chance); maybe a metaphor for Ben Horne in his 'glory days' of partying, ruthless accumulation, inflicting pain on the family(always cheating on Sylvia, angering her, Sylvia's revenge etc., and whatever else went on, ignoring Johnny, and whatever else he did in relating to Johnny....probably he took the brunt from both Sylvia and Ben as their marriage went to shambles);  Johnny then went mad, if he wasnt handicapped by birth.  And thats pretty cruel tying Johnny up like that, then treating him as a hurt victim when he was trying to help.....

What does Richard need that money for? Killing Red?

Posted : 16/07/2017 11:49 pm
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His mother's intention of tying him up that way was to keep him from harming himself ( he had just bashed his head into a wall ).

It seems Richard is intent on leaving TP, he told Sylvia she wouldn't see him again. He probably fears the wrath of Red, being hired to run drugs and then screwing up, killing the child in a hit-&-run accident.

Posted : 16/07/2017 11:55 pm
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Posted by: Karen

His mother's intention of tying him up that way was to keep him from harming himself ( he had just bashed his head into a wall ).

It seems Richard is intent on leaving TP, he told Sylvia she wouldn't see him again. He probably fears the wrath of Red, being hired to run drugs and then screwing up, killing the child in a hit-&-run accident.

Yeah, but doesnt tying him up make him want to run.... pretty vicious cycle for Johnny there, who seems like he doesnt have the capacity to break out of it.....(I am guessing revenge against Ben via Johnny, from when she told Ben, why do you care about Johnny and not me, pretty obvious you can hurt Ben via Johnny).  Johnny wasnt always a 'runner'.......

I missed that part on Richard saying wont see me again, so thanks for that; also maybe he is scared of being arrested for hitting that child and being linked to Miriam's murder.....cops seem to be onto him regardless of whether or not the Miriam note turns out to be successfully covered up on not.  Further, if Lucy did see Chad hide that note, or was expecting the note from Miriam, this could lead to the downfall of Chad, the shining golden future of twin peaks....I think Lucy could easily have been suspicious of Chad's motives, she is definitely keen and intelligent, regardless of her 'quirky' approach to habits and dealing with social interaction ....

Posted : 17/07/2017 12:13 am
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We haven't seen Linda and we don't have any clue  about her background yet so I wouldn't judge her to be evil yet.....

There was a Linda mentioned who lives in the Fat Trout Trailer park and is close to Mickey.  Linda is crippled and fought in some kind of 'war', could easily be a former compatriot of Richard, or at least a metaphor for it. 'two birds with one stone': they destroy each other.... easily describes many relationships in twin peaks....

Also, this was a Gold-enjoyment episode(as indicated by the rancho rosa screen at the beginning), mostly excessive enjoyment in pain in the absence of real relations, after the relations are dead(ex. Becky and Steven, Horne family situation, Richard 24/7, Diane, Jacobi and Nadine's golden shovels/drape runners).  The exceptions here are Cole's group and of course Carl Rodd, who dont lose the thread. Carl Rodd seeing the gold flame from the absurd tragedy of the child, proper way to deal with gold here, also comes from his 'brown' approach with Mickey, doesnt go wild like Richard, thinks for a while, tries to find a way out, hits the tragedy/failure, sees the golden flame, takes it very seriously, can then see the nightmare of Steven and Becky in its horror.

An answer: there are no stars left, the relations are dead/burning out, time is coming back around on itself, laura is the one failure that needs to be hit, time to come to terms with and deal with the problems rather than letting them slowly decay into boredom and repetitive expanding nightmare....

Posted : 17/07/2017 12:47 am
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I found the scene to be a nod to the "Singin' in the Rain" scene in Clockwork Orange as well. 

Posted : 17/07/2017 1:54 am
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I Think He is Audrey's son and the father is evil cooper. He raped in the hospital before leaving town and thats where Doc Hayward saw him. So maybe he 's Bob

Posted : 17/07/2017 5:47 am
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Honestly Richard always seemed very human to me, as opposed to the robotic/otherwordly Evil Coop, save maybe for his scene with the girls at the roadhouse. He seemed to be completely overwhelmed by Red in a way you wouldn't expect from Bob or another transcendental entity and he pretty much always seems hysterical, like he's trying to show off more badness than he actually has in himself, because he probably doesn't have a full grasp on the situation. The run over scene is perfect in that sense, because he's clearly trying to talk himself into the idea that it was the boy's fault, but he's clearly conflicted and inside he's torn and devastated. So no I don't think Bob has anything to do with him.

Posted : 17/07/2017 6:31 am
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Not BOB...but is half BOB (Audrey & Mr. C). He's definitely a c**t though.

Posted : 17/07/2017 6:35 am
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It is possible that Audrey assumes it is Wheelers child. If there is a chance it is Mr C' s, we may only be able to learn that via Mr C himself, or from a red room lodge individual.

Posted : 17/07/2017 7:30 am
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So now officially we can say after this episode Richard is Audrey's son because he is the grandson of Sylvia and Ben

Posted : 17/07/2017 8:03 am
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Richards escapades have become so numerous and outrageous it's almost become laughable.

He groped and assaulted a woman at the Bang Bang, plastered a child with a flat bed truck, murdered a happy go lucky school teacher and choked his grandmother while robbing her and calling her a cunt.

I get it...he's not a good person.

Next episode he might bludgeon orphans with puppies I guess.

I think he's Audrey's and evil Coops kid...but somehow evil Coop, while being 100% doppelgänger from the black lodge, is somehow more level headed than this kid.

Posted : 17/07/2017 8:45 am
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Another very distrubing and sad scene with Richard in it. Great scene but i found it reallt disturbing, he is a total monster, poor Johnny couldnt do anything, and Sylvia was so afraid of him... also that teddy bear... so creepy saying all the time the same phrase..

Posted : 17/07/2017 12:47 pm
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Anyone remember Thomas Eckhardt? Now that was comically villainous. What I think/hope might happen with Richard is an occasion for Lynch to really mess with the audience's emotional responses and the modes of identification with characters. In short: Richard is a blatant obscenity, just excessively awful, we want him dead/gone/punished, period--what does that say about us? At the same time, we were almost compelled to sympathize with him during the scene with Red; it humanized him just enough. And he's frankly a good looking guy, unlike Becky's beau. Michael Haneke specializes in this sort of reflexivity, especially in Funny Games (oddly, I've not seen the American version with Naomi Watts!): our reactions are anticipated, included, critiqued, and developed.

Posted : 17/07/2017 1:53 pm
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Richard Horne is not Bob. He's a spoiled child from a rich family, presumably abandoned by his mother and raised by grandparents. A biography related to serial killers'. Not to mention that he may be the son of a evil doppleganger.

He also has a clear mysoginy which may be a strong sign that Audrey abandoned him. Always calling women B+tch and co+ksucker etc.

Posted : 17/07/2017 4:01 pm
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