So I mentioned this before, based on some ideas that were presented to me by Cameron and others. Twin peaks is royally screwed up from February 23rd, 1989 on because Dale Cooper, in his hubris, chose to go back in time and affect the universe. Which we all know from literature and film to be a big no no. Trying to explain the outcome of that one act and the butterfly effect is not so simple so I have drawn a diagram which should shed more light. Please be aware that my diagram has a finite number of altered timelines, whereas in reality, there is an infinite number of altered timelines and realities until time has readjusted itself.
Please examine this:
fractured timelines is an interesting notion. Suppose on some other planet, say Omicron Perseiei 8, the assasination of a senator is undone and timelines shatter apart. Do we here on earth have diverging timelines too, because how could that effect us in the short and medium term? If cooper changed a family's life in 1989 in Washington State, surely in 25 years the butterfly effect would have traveled the globe. Maybe not every corner, but it's not hard to believe Odessa has been made different. But who would know it?
Then the question of how do you pick one line to call 'true', or 'original'. Original means the first, so that's a bust right away in time travel. real assumes that the fracturing only occurred for the 'first' time, that 1989 wasn't already some crazy spinoff of Ponce de Leon messing up time in 1500. Not to mention doppelJesus (or was it tulpachrist?)
I guess the real question in my mind is how do some characters have different memories than others, and how would they ever compare notes to find out? Do they never cross? Is the FD Tammy a different TamTam than the one whose hips we stared at? Are we as an audience checking in on multiple timelines with only cryptic clues to guide us, or is the line of the books not in the same temporaverse as the episodes? Or maybe the timelines are branched and bridged and crossed and doubled-back instead of parallel?
I like the idea of multiple time lines, but the logic gets super tricky.
(Let's do the timewarp again?)
fractured timelines is an interesting notion. Suppose on some other planet, say Omicron Perseiei 8, the assasination of a senator is undone and timelines shatter apart. Do we here on earth have diverging timelines too, because how could that effect us in the short and medium term? If cooper changed a family's life in 1989 in Washington State, surely in 25 years the butterfly effect would have traveled the globe. Maybe not every corner, but it's not hard to believe Odessa has been made different. But who would know it?
Then the question of how do you pick one line to call 'true', or 'original'. Original means the first, so that's a bust right away in time travel. real assumes that the fracturing only occurred for the 'first' time, that 1989 wasn't already some crazy spinoff of Ponce de Leon messing up time in 1500. Not to mention doppelJesus (or was it tulpachrist?)
I guess the real question in my mind is how do some characters have different memories than others, and how would they ever compare notes to find out? Do they never cross? Is the FD Tammy a different TamTam than the one whose hips we stared at? Are we as an audience checking in on multiple timelines with only cryptic clues to guide us, or is the line of the books not in the same temporaverse as the episodes? Or maybe the timelines are branched and bridged and crossed and doubled-back instead of parallel?
I like the idea of multiple time lines, but the logic gets super tricky.
(Let's do the timewarp again?)
The logic gets super tricky? it is a complete unknown, mathematically impossible to prove or disprove. Infinite results has the word infinite in it, how is my alliteration? Any student of math knows that infinity is an irrational number. But the toothy smile makes everyone feel better!
Try to imagine an infinite number of episodes in Season 3 to support an infinite number of timelines, outcomes and eventualities.
I just recently learned to accept that since Cooper made his faux pas on February 23rd, 1989, we can no longer explain or understand anything about Twin Peaks.
I am ok with that explanation now, but it took me awhile.
P.S. I wasn't usually staring at her hips...*eg*
Jack
Sorry, Jack - I knew it was borderline a dick move. Didn't mean it that way. (From Rocky Horror, timewarp and all...)
Infinity isn't a number at all
I'm only trying to get to the bottom of how do members of different timelines have cross-knowledge? Alternate time line would seem like a completely isolated universe, but we have rememberers of the 'official version' and those who also have competing versions in their heads. Is it an overlayed timeline, or a divergent one?
Sorry, Jack - I knew it was borderline a dick move. Didn't mean it that way. (From Rocky Horror, timewarp and all...)
Infinity isn't a number at all
I'm only trying to get to the bottom of how do members of different timelines have cross-knowledge? Alternate time line would seem like a completely isolated universe, but we have rememberers of the 'official version' and those who also have competing versions in their heads. Is it an overlayed timeline, or a divergent one?
Not a dick move at all, I rather enjoyed it, very clever and poignant with the Time Warp reference and RHPS movie posters.
Trying t wrap my head around that conundrum as well. Does everyone experience every version of the time lines or do certain people experience certain timelines based on proximity and life choices? Even stranger, how do they all eventually re-align.
I am just accepting it's possibility but have no idea on how it manifests.
Jack
Sorry, Jack - I knew it was borderline a dick move. Didn't mean it that way. (From Rocky Horror, timewarp and all...)
Infinity isn't a number at all
I'm only trying to get to the bottom of how do members of different timelines have cross-knowledge? Alternate time line would seem like a completely isolated universe, but we have rememberers of the 'official version' and those who also have competing versions in their heads. Is it an overlayed timeline, or a divergent one?
Not a dick move at all, I rather enjoyed it, very clever and poignant with the Time Warp reference and RHPS movie posters.
Trying t wrap my head around that conundrum as well. Does everyone experience every version of the time lines or do certain people experience certain timelines based on proximity and life choices? Even stranger, how do they all eventually re-align.
I am just accepting it's possibility but have no idea on how it manifests.
Jack
Here's a go: the Lodge space is the same across all timelines. It is a fifth-dimensional space, accessible to the gifted and the damned, and maybe all of us at times in dreams. Because all of the timelines/realities are versions of the great dream of time and space. Lodge beings experience time as we experience space, more or less, but that does NOT mean things are predestined. There are, if you like, points of indeterminacy.
Everyone will experience every version of the timeline, but not everyone will remember. The difference between Laura dying and Laura disappearing might not be so great for some, e.g. For others - Audrey! - it will be immense, and the different versions may be irreconcilable.
So, Gordon will remember the unofficial version because he is tuned in to the Lodge stuff. Cooper will remember for the same reason, though he is even more implicated. For Jeffries, well, it's slippery in here.
Tammy is in the midst of losing the memory in the last part of the FD. She's not in tune enough. And Audrey is trapped in the Lodge...
Does this all hang together?
I'm very much with you on the Lodge being timeless, a fifth dimensional space of some kind. The only thing I can't reconcile: Coop's interactions with Mike, the arm and Laura in the Lodge in both parts 2 and 18. They seem to be two different versions of the same thing, almost as if they were two different timelines.
I'm very much with you on the Lodge being timeless, a fifth dimensional space of some kind. The only thing I can't reconcile: Coop's interactions with Mike, the arm and Laura in the Lodge in both parts 2 and 18. They seem to be two different versions of the same thing, almost as if they were two different timelines.
Perhaps this could be explained with reference to Cooper's perspective? Two versions of the same thing because it is at two different points in his personal timeline?
I don't quite think the Lodge is timeless, but that time is different there... So, there can be changes. For example, I think that the Arm saying the line about the little girl who lived down the lane is about informing Cooper that he has disjointed Audrey from reality, but he doesn't know that yet (Season 4 plot line!)
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