The end of part 18 only became dreamlike for me recently; before, it very much wasn't. It was drab and ordinary and real. And that's possibly part of the problem; the contrast between the two halves of the episode gives that Odessa section a dreamlike feel by the suddeness of how it changes from what came before - if any of that makes sense ?
I suppose what I'm getting at is that the tone and mood of the Odessa section is so spare and plain that it becomes unreal by seeming so obviously real. Its not so much what action takes place so much as the mood and feel. That sudden change in the episode is very much dreamlike in and of itself.
For me, there's two ways of looking at the phrase "our" world here:
1. A fictional story that takes place in a recognisable real world setting e.g. Taxi Driver being set in New York.
2. The action literally takes place in "our" world i.e. the world of the viewer. This would be a meta narrative, and an example is the supposed sighting of a Twin Peaks vhs in Carrie Page's house. But for this to work surely the lady who owns the Palmer hiuse now would have given Coop her real name and not the name of Tremond or Chalfont. Richard and Linda would have been Kyle and Laura, Carrie would have been Sheryl, etc.
To be clear it is the second scenario I have trouble buying, not the first.
I thought Jack was implying he believed the second scenario, which I apologise if was not the case and if there was a misunderstanding on my part. I certainly respect everybody's opinion and love the fact that we can have interesting debates like this ?
I conpletely get where you're coming from Jack, and certainly don't mean you or your ideas any disrespect when I say this, but I've never bought into the *fictional world/"our" world* theory of The Return.
OK wait, so Twin Peaks, which is the dream world, Odessa is our world, Big Eds gas Farm is dream world, Valero is in our world, Twin Peaks is dream world, Everett is our world, The RR Diner is in Twin Peaks, now the RR Diner is in North Bend...all of these things are discarded and you don't "Buy" into them?
Trust me when I say, I get it...I think Brandy set me straight about the term "buy" very early on but you may need to re-examine those incidences and a few more that clearly show a separation of worlds...
Jack
Now however (and I find myself doing this more and more) if you think back to season one Josie goes to Seattle for a shopping trip. Seattle is in our world yet Twin Peaks is not, there is a conundrum. Still looking for other instances where the people from Twin Peaks (in the series, not in a book written before or after the series) take visits into our world like it is nothing. I am not sure where Evelyn Walsh's house was, seems like Twin Peaks...but Wallies Hideout seems to be traversing both worlds...
I am a firm believer in both of these worlds, and both of these worlds collided by Cooper going back in time. So not only is the timeline askew, the worlds are in disarray and life as we know it for Twin Peaks is just one big mess that needs to realign or reset in order to start up again.
It is so much fun, I just want to carve one of my eyes out!
Jack
Also the Phildelphia offices of the FBI in FWWM.
For me, there's two ways of looking at the phrase "our" world here:
1. A fictional story that takes place in a recognisable real world setting e.g. Taxi Driver being set in New York.
2. The action literally takes place in "our" world i.e. the world of the viewer. This would be a meta narrative, and an example is the supposed sighting of a Twin Peaks vhs in Carrie Page's house. But for this to work surely the lady who owns the Palmer hiuse now would have given Coop her real name and not the name of Tremond or Chalfont. Richard and Linda would have been Kyle and Laura, Carrie would have been Sheryl, etc.
To be clear it is the second scenario I have trouble buying, not the first.
I thought Jack was implying he believed the second scenario, which I apologise if was not the case and if there was a misunderstanding on my part. I certainly respect everybody's opinion and love the fact that we can have interesting debates like this ?
Much respect Chris, well thought out opinions on things I have not yet investigated are a jump start into new und unchartered territory.
I find myself "buying" into the fact that on day one, February 24th, 1989, Dale Cooper, who is an FBI agent in our world, travels into the mythical world of Twin Peaks. He is taken aback by the tree's, the people, the coffee, the pie, the street light where yellow means slow, not hurry up. He encounters the fireman, the lodge, the red room, the bookhouse boys, and so many clues that he is no longer in his world, but a magical one. He even gets trapped eventually in this realm while his doppleganger is released on his old (real) world in New York City, Las Vegas, Buckhorn that traverses both like Twin Peaks often does.
Yes I am being very literal and I believe there is way too much donut to see here, otherwise this would just be an everyday story with some strange supernatural happenings as accents.
While on this subject, you will note that Mr. C can get shot and be revived by supernatural creatures yet he talks and interacts with people from our realm who get shot and die, or get their arms ripped off and faces punched in.
IMO we are DEFINITELY dealing with 2 realms, it is like a more complex version of toon town and the real world.
"I'm not dead, I am just drawn that way..."
Jack
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