It's just occured to me that I've always taken "it is in our house now" to be some form of metaphor, but what if its meant literally?
If the start of part one follows the end of part 18, then its possible The Fireman is directly referring to the Palmer House. If The Fireman sent Laura to give the world balance against BoB, then would that make the Palmer house "our house"? And of course Coop and Carrie found Chalfont and Tremonds and not Palmers there. We all know the association with The Red Room and the Chalfonts/Tremonds. In fact, Coop doesn't seem to register what the names of the current and previous owners are, he's more disturbed that the Palmers are not there. Hence, Coop's surprised "it is?"
Did Coop ever meet the Tremonds/Chalfonts? I know he was aware of their caravan at the Fat Trout in FWWM.
In any case, is "our house" the Palmer house?
In any case, is "our house" the Palmer house?
Chris,
A lot of good things to think about here but...I cannot ascribe to the Palmer house being "our" house as the Fireman, Laura, Cooper, Cole etc were NEVER a part of that house. My understanding is that MR.C made it into "our" world (Twin Peaks, Las Vegas, Buckhorn) etc and the Fireman is basically a maintenance man for "our" world and he needs to fix a problem within it. Mr.C is doing very bad things in "our" world to keep himself there, ONLY Cooper can eliminate MR.C from our world. Even though Lucy pulls the trigger, Cooper knows how to finalize the deal. OUR world become so much more apparent when Cooper drives into Odessa and finds Carrie, the scenes are filled with things "we know exist in 'our' world." Then he drives past a Valerio station and ending up at a house in Everett (Not Twin Peaks) with the actual owners from "our" world. That thing that is in "Our" house is extinguished at the end of Episode 18 when Carrie screams.
"Our" House is "Our" world...I could be wrong but it seems like Cooper, while driving into Twin Peaks and exclaiming about all the beauty, and the pie and the magical coffee and the people etc etc etc is describing to the viewer that he has left "OUR" world and entered a magical one. By the end of Episode 18, we are back in "OUR" world and the magical TWIN PEAKS world has dissipated. I mean how many people would accept a blinded naked woman left at a tree stump, along with the supernatural being in the sheriffs station, his henchmen trying to fix him, a bouncing evil orb trying to kill people and a brit with a powerful green glove to knock the evil out, UNLESS you were in a realm filled with magic. This stuff doesn't happen in real life sheriffs stations. Nuclear weapons, death and destruction, serial killers, fathers who prey on daughters...that kind of stuff is real like.
"OUR" house is not their house, there is the viewers realm, and then the TWIN PEAKS existence, they are not one and the same. If you don't believe me then go to the festival and see how unreal it is *eg*
IMO "it is in our house now" is a statement that the evil from the Magical Realm of Twin Peaks has figured out a way to infiltrate our world (our reality) and affect things accordingly.
Jeebus, my brain is frying from my own hypothesis...
Jack
In any case, is "our house" the Palmer house?
Chris,
A lot of good things to think about here but...I cannot ascribe to the Palmer house being "our" house as the Fireman, Laura, Cooper, Cole etc were NEVER a part of that house. My understanding is that MR.C made it into "our" world (Twin Peaks, Las Vegas, Buckhorn) etc and the Fireman is basically a maintenance man for "our" world and he needs to fix a problem within it. Mr.C is doing very bad things in "our" world to keep himself there, ONLY Cooper can eliminate MR.C from our world. Even though Lucy pulls the trigger, Cooper knows how to finalize the deal. OUR world become so much more apparent when Cooper drives into Odessa and finds Carrie, the scenes are filled with things "we know exist in 'our' world." Then he drives past a Valerio station and ending up at a house in Everett (Not Twin Peaks) with the actual owners from "our" world. That thing that is in "Our" house is extinguished at the end of Episode 18 when Carrie screams.
"Our" House is "Our" world...I could be wrong but it seems like Cooper, while driving into Twin Peaks and exclaiming about all the beauty, and the pie and the magical coffee and the people etc etc etc is describing to the viewer that he has left "OUR" world and entered a magical one. By the end of Episode 18, we are back in "OUR" world and the magical TWIN PEAKS world has dissipated. I mean how many people would accept a blinded naked woman left at a tree stump, along with the supernatural being in the sheriffs station, his henchmen trying to fix him, a bouncing evil orb trying to kill people and a brit with a powerful green glove to knock the evil out, UNLESS you were in a realm filled with magic. This stuff doesn't happen in real life sheriffs stations. Nuclear weapons, death and destruction, serial killers, fathers who prey on daughters...that kind of stuff is real like.
"OUR" house is not their house, there is the viewers realm, and then the TWIN PEAKS existence, they are not one and the same. If you don't believe me then go to the festival and see how unreal it is *eg*
IMO "it is in our house now" is a statement that the evil from the Magical Realm of Twin Peaks has figured out a way to infiltrate our world (our reality) and affect things accordingly.
Jeebus, my brain is frying from my own hypothesis...
Jack
Before anyone sets me straight I realize my slight faux pas, Laura did actually belong to that house so scratch that. The rest stands on its own, except that Laura was a a part of the Palmer house.
Jack
I conpletely get where you're coming from Jack, and certainly don't mean you or your ideas any disrespect when I say this, but I've never bought into the *fictional world/"our" world* theory of The Return. I know Lynch believes in the idea of dreams within dreams and worlds within worlds, and I can't speak for Mr Frost here, but it just seems a bit too on the nose and meta for Lynch. Once he creates a world, and lives in it and believes in its places and its people, Lynch generally likes to keep that world as it is; a world of its own. Lynch by his own admission is a dreamy person and likes to get lost in dreams and ideas, other worlds. He's said many times how much he loves the world of Twin Peaks and believes in it. Whatever we might conclude about Lynch's ideas about Twin Peaks now, from the differences in tone and form between TOS and The Return, I find it hard to believe that Lynch would want "our" world, the "real" world, to intrude into his precious dream of Twin Peaks.
I could be totally wrong of course, but I admit to struggling with the "our" world theory.
Whatever we might conclude about Lynch's ideas about Twin Peaks now, from the differences in tone and form between TOS and The Return, I find it hard to believe that Lynch would want "our" world, the "real" world, to intrude into his precious dream of Twin Peaks.
I might be inclined to side with you if it hadn't been for that whole last bit once he woke up in Odessa and the world was inundated with advertisements and changes that seemed to be rooted in "our" world, including the changes to the RR and the "change" to the Palmer house.
In a strange way the whole Odessa section onwards takes on a dreamlike substance itself, by becoming almost hyper-real compared to the identifiably absurd/surreal world we had gotten used to. Something about that long, lonely drive to Twin Peaks in the silence of the dead of night gives me chills and transports my imagination, as only dreams really can. There's something very disconcertingly dreamlike about that whole end section, more so than the 'obviously' surreal final battle in the sherrif's office.
Thus, we both find ourselves here...wanting, waiting, worrying and wondering....
Jack
Sure, as I said, certainly no disrespect to yourself; I love a good debate and I love the fact that we can all look and see something different. The amount of fascinating things I've read on this forum because of that, it truly is a credit to the show that it generates such openess and obsessiveness in its fans ?
In a strange way the whole Odessa section onwards takes on a dreamlike substance itself, by becoming almost hyper-real compared to the identifiably absurd/surreal world we had gotten used to. Something about that long, lonely drive to Twin Peaks in the silence of the dead of night gives me chills and transports my imagination, as only dreams really can. There's something very disconcertingly dreamlike about that whole end section, more so than the 'obviously' surreal final battle in the sherrif's office.
That's interesting. To me, that whole bit is the least dreamlike and most realistic. Long, dark, quiet, boring roads.......Ever driven across the country? ?
In a strange way the whole Odessa section onwards takes on a dreamlike substance itself, by becoming almost hyper-real compared to the identifiably absurd/surreal world we had gotten used to. Something about that long, lonely drive to Twin Peaks in the silence of the dead of night gives me chills and transports my imagination, as only dreams really can. There's something very disconcertingly dreamlike about that whole end section, more so than the 'obviously' surreal final battle in the sherrif's office.
That drive...That Ominous drive, that neverending drive to end all drives, even the "Lost Highway" drives...
Remember when the car appeared in the mirror and Carrie got nervous that they were being followed on a lone highway in the middle of the night? That car following them, turned out to be nothing more than a car on the same road, going the same direction at a higher rate of speed. This is because they were not in a magical world, or a world filled with mystery and suspense...just our simple mundane world where a car on the road is just a car on the road.
Chris, you can clearly believe any piece of information that aligns with your assessment, we are all doing the same thing. It is the Magic of Lynch and gives birth to the definition of "Lynchian" in this medium. Clearly you can build a house of cards out of any explanation you derive from all 3 series. My House of cards will be different but just as fragile in the face of someone else's strongly investigated theory on the subject.
Thus, we both find ourselves here...wanting, waiting, worrying and wondering....
Jack
In a strange way the whole Odessa section onwards takes on a dreamlike substance itself, by becoming almost hyper-real compared to the identifiably absurd/surreal world we had gotten used to. Something about that long, lonely drive to Twin Peaks in the silence of the dead of night gives me chills and transports my imagination, as only dreams really can. There's something very disconcertingly dreamlike about that whole end section, more so than the 'obviously' surreal final battle in the sherrif's office.
That's interesting. To me, that whole bit is the least dreamlike and most realistic. Long, dark, quiet, boring roads.......Ever driven across the country? ?
Kind of beat me to that punch...
"That car following them, turned out to be nothing more than a car on the same road, going the same direction at a higher rate of speed. This is because they were not in a magical world, or a world filled with mystery and suspense...just our simple mundane world where a car on the road is just a car on the road."
This is a PERFECT example of how I felt it to be completely un-dreamlike.
I conpletely get where you're coming from Jack, and certainly don't mean you or your ideas any disrespect when I say this, but I've never bought into the *fictional world/"our" world* theory of The Return.
OK wait, so Twin Peaks, which is the dream world, Odessa is our world, Big Eds gas Farm is dream world, Valero is in our world, Twin Peaks is dream world, Everett is our world, The RR Diner is in Twin Peaks, now the RR Diner is in North Bend...all of these things are discarded and you don't "Buy" into them?
Trust me when I say, I get it...I think Brandy set me straight about the term "buy" very early on but you may need to re-examine those incidences and a few more that clearly show a separation of worlds...
Jack
I'm coming to recognize this all as personal perception and perspective. Whereas the post Odessa bit was very dreamlike to Chris, it was extremely not so for me (and apparently Jack).
Does this have to do more with personal experience than the interpretation of art (which yes, I realize has a lot to do with personal experience as well).
I'm quite fascinated now. Let us remember to be respectful of each other's opinions so that this convo can continue. ?
I conpletely get where you're coming from Jack, and certainly don't mean you or your ideas any disrespect when I say this, but I've never bought into the *fictional world/"our" world* theory of The Return.
OK wait, so Twin Peaks, which is the dream world, Odessa is our world, Big Eds gas Farm is dream world, Valero is in our world, Twin Peaks is dream world, Everett is our world, The RR Diner is in Twin Peaks, now the RR Diner is in North Bend...all of these things are discarded and you don't "Buy" into them?
Trust me when I say, I get it...I think Brandy set me straight about the term "buy" very early on but you may need to re-examine those incidences and a few more that clearly show a separation of worlds...
Jack
Now however (and I find myself doing this more and more) if you think back to season one Josie goes to Seattle for a shopping trip. Seattle is in our world yet Twin Peaks is not, there is a conundrum. Still looking for other instances where the people from Twin Peaks (in the series, not in a book written before or after the series) take visits into our world like it is nothing. I am not sure where Evelyn Walsh's house was, seems like Twin Peaks...but Wallies Hideout seems to be traversing both worlds...
I am a firm believer in both of these worlds, and both of these worlds collided by Cooper going back in time. So not only is the timeline askew, the worlds are in disarray and life as we know it for Twin Peaks is just one big mess that needs to realign or reset in order to start up again.
It is so much fun, I just want to carve one of my eyes out!
Jack
Fireman says it's in OUR house now.
Fireman is not from the real world.
He must've meant white lodge?
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