I suppose Catherine Martell was a badass in her way, played Ben for Ghostwood and won, and she took no shiz from anybody, but then she doesn't have the likeability factor Sarah does. Catherine is more a case of the character you love to hate. And kudos to her for covering Leiland's grief with an improvised dance. It may be an inappropriate reaction but I laugh myself silly every time
You are correct. How could I have forgotten about Catherine. It's just so easy since she wasn't in TR.
But she was no "tearing of your face," throat eating" "mother trucker killer" like Sarah.
I suppose Catherine Martell was a badass in her way, played Ben for Ghostwood and won, and she took no shiz from anybody, but then she doesn't have the likeability factor Sarah does. Catherine is more a case of the character you love to hate. And kudos to her for covering Leiland's grief with an improvised dance. It may be an inappropriate reaction but I laugh myself silly every time
You are correct. How could I have forgotten about Catherine. It's just so easy since she wasn't in TR.
But she was no "tearing of your face," throat eating" "mother trucker killer" like Sarah.
Definitely not. Catherine was much more of the "dress like a Japanese man" school of thought ?
Oh Catherine, how I have missed thee. Shame on me for forgetting.
Catherine was great. In particular, I enjoyed her a lot the most recent time I watched the original run (as The Return was ongoing - there was a period there where I found it nearly impossible to watch anything but Twin Peaks). It's a shame we didn't get more about what happened with her, and Ben/Ghostwood. Even the Secret History glosses over it and doesn't quite jibe with the show...
Catherine was great. In particular, I enjoyed her a lot the most recent time I watched the original run (as The Return was ongoing - there was a period there where I found it nearly impossible to watch anything but Twin Peaks). It's a shame we didn't get more about what happened with her, and Ben/Ghostwood. Even the Secret History glosses over it and doesn't quite jibe with the show...
Definitely agreed on that. ?
1) What is the status of the Richard/Carrie stuff?; and 2) Should Cooper have gone back to 1989?
I wonder about the significance of Diane evidently ending up believing she is Linda, while Cooper seems mystified about both names. Later on, he introduces himself as Dale Cooper to both Carrie and Mrs. Tremond (If I remember right).
So, does this mean Cooper did not fulfill the Fireman's instruction to remember Richard and Linda? (On a side note, I don't think there's direct evidence that he remembered "Two birds with one stone" either).
I guess the most obvious reason why their identities changed is that's just how things work in this different dimension (or whatever it its). People entering it from elsewhere develop new identities and forget their previous ones. That seems to be the case with Diane/Linda and Laura/Carrie. And explains why the Fireman and Jeffries ask Cooper to "remember."
I was going to say that maybe the identity change strengthens the theory that the dimension was created by the Fireman to trap Judy. The false identities would help keep Her from discovering them. But I guess it works just as well with the competing theory that Judy created this dimension, and the identity changes/forgetfulness are a defensive measure by Her.
As for going back to 1989, I think there's more onscreen evidence that it was part of the Fireman's and/or Briggs' etc. plan and not just a case of Cooper going rogue due to white knight delusions and/or hubris.
I am thinking that Cooper remembers who he is because of what the Fireman said, but I am also on the reading that what happens stems from Coop's hubris. It is hard to figure out exactly what his plan was, but I think it failed (and it is all the harder to figure out because it failed).
Did my plan of drawing someone back into the forum by posting about the French woman in the Part 12 threads work, though? Aces.
I've been out of the loop a minute here, and sorry if I am repeating a well worn theory, but...
Could the Fireman be saying 'remember that stuff that already happened', instead of telling him to remember when he gets there? Like really telling him not to forget what he already had done - as in, scene 1 episode 1 takes place after episode 18.
I only ask because maybe I like it for an explanation to the dialogue, "It is in our house now", and Coop confirms, "It is." That could follow nicely from Carrie's scream. Judy was trapped in that scream, like maybe Judy's existence in many dimensions was collapsed down to one as Carrie bridged her own identity to Laura. And the sound we listen to is Judy ?? Just thinking down a path here.
Entertaining that for a moment, isn't it the case that Coop would already know "the plan" because he and Briggs and Cole were the ones who devised it without the Fireman's help as we are told (right?) And because crossing dimensions or changing histories fudges memory Coop needs to be reminded that he already fulfilled his mission - and that's why the Fireman told him to remember.
Is this a possible interpretation? Any glaring inconsistencies to this?
Yeah, that could work. It always struck me that it seems like Cooper says "It is" as a question - "It is?" but the captions have it as "It is." Could be a mistake with the subtitling, of course, like with Bing.
Also, on the Blu-ray extras at one point Struycken is practicing, "Do you remember" which would lend credence to your idea that this comes after the events.
But, why would Cooper need to be reminded if he succeeded? It still seems to me that he failed, and I am not convinced that the Fireman was in on his plan.
I like this theory!
We've all seen movies where you see what should be the last seen first, and then the rest of the movie is in flasback and ends at the first scene again.
I wonder why Coop just seems to disappear out of the chair... kind of erased like Lauras body on the sand.....
I'm right there with you, the Fireman need not necessarily have been part of "the plan". And personally I like the notion that he isn't good or evil or even in judgement, rather the Fireman is a balancing agent. Which leads me to neg/pos polarity of electricity etc.
Fireman may be reminding Cooper for any one of several reasons. I am wracking my brain if we are given clues as to the specific reason, but maybe it's to reacquaint Coop to the reality of this dimension because it would necessarily be fuzzy for him after traveling dimensions. Or maybe he needs to remember because he has to do it again - endlessly maybe. Or maybe he needs to know so he knows that his mission is concluded, win or lose. Maybe he later has to go set Diane/Linda to rights because she went missing in the wrong time/place. Or a million other reasons.
Could the scratch/dragging sound be one manifestation of Judy, the extreme negative force? Maybe an extreme negative pole is needed to run the Fireman's electricity room. ahh, I'm rambling again.
Yeah that scratching sound out of the gramophone. ..... what did that refer to???
I'm sure I've read online somewhere recently that that the gramaphone sound is actually a sample of the sound of Laura opening her diary from FWWM. Whether that's correct remains to be seen.
Based on tone of voice alone, I always took 'it is' to be a question.
Also, Lynch has previously said in interviews, possibly in the Greg Olson book, that Earth is a learning world. If that Fireman/Coop conversation does take place after part 18, then it is almost if the Fireman is scoring Coop. 'I understand.' No, you are far away in your thinking/actions, I send you back to try again. And Coop disapears, at the Fireman's behest?, to try again.
I'm sure I've read online somewhere recently that that the gramaphone sound is actually a sample of the sound of Laura opening her diary from FWWM. Whether that's correct remains to be seen.
I can't see how opening a diary would make that sound...?
Based on tone of voice alone, I always took 'it is' to be a question.
Also, Lynch has previously said in interviews, possibly in the Greg Olson book, that Earth is a learning world. If that Fireman/Coop conversation does take place after part 18, then it is almost if the Fireman is scoring Coop. 'I understand.' No, you are far away in your thinking/actions, I send you back to try again. And Coop disapears, at the Fireman's behest?, to try again.
Ah yes! I like that!
Here's the link for the speculation about the sound being Laura's diary:
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