Judging by some of the posts here it reads like some of you want TP to fail for not delivering your personal vision of what it should be like.
As the orange one would say, "Sad".
Have you ever witnessed the sheer amount of negativity that goes on every Star Wars related discussion board? And they don't even have to deal with time-bending/Cosmic-Entities-creating/fabric-of-reality-altering nuclear explosions or charcoal-skinned, white-eyed, wood-cutting Abe Lincoln look-alike bums seeking a carreer in radio enternainment, who keep misplacing their darned lighter.
I'm actually marveled at how civil the level of discussion is, here : -)
@Oyster Bells: yup, I hate'em too. That's why I keep swallowing them up -- 'cause I'm a masochist and shit. 😛
Judging by some of the posts here it reads like some of you want TP to fail for not delivering your personal vision of what it should be like.
As the orange one would say, "Sad".
Don't you put words in our mouths, SamXTherapy!!
? Nah, we love the show! It's become a guilty pleasure, I guess, after those 2-minute sweeping scene and 10-minute explosion, but we still love it!!
?
Nope, can't say I have. That's because, not liking Star Wars, I don't bother talking about it.
Now, I'm a big fan of Doctor Who; I've watched it since the very beginning and I'm a self confessed Dalek geek. I make CG models of the damn things and post them online for others to use. You could say I'm a bit obsessed.
I didn't like the 2010 redesign of the Daleks and I made my opinions known on a forum but not to extent of saying the show was doomed, or crowing about low viewing figures or some of the stuff I've seen here.
With the show (Doctor Who) in general, there have been stories I didn't enjoy, casting decisions I thought were wrong, various things here and there that weren't to my liking but overall I've been content to take it as it comes. If there comes a time when I don't enjoy the show at all, I'll stop watching it. I don't demand that any TV delivers exactly what I want, when or how I want it.
Simply put, too many people have a sense of entitlement about something they think is "Their Show". It ain't. It belongs to the people who created it, no more, no less. Ya don't like? Don't watch. It's easy.
Judging by some of the posts here it reads like some of you want TP to fail for not delivering your personal vision of what it should be like.
As the orange one would say, "Sad".
Have you ever witnessed the sheer amount of negativity that goes on every Star Wars related discussion board? And they don't even have to deal with time-bending/Cosmic-Entities-creating/fabric-of-reality-altering nuclear explosions or charcoal-skinned, white-eyed, wood-cutting Abe Lincoln look-alike bums seeking a carreer in radio enternainment, who keep misplacing their darned lighter.
I'm actually marveled at how civil the level of discussion is, here : -)
@Oyster Bells: yup, I hate'em too. That's why I keep swallowing them up -- 'cause I'm a masochist and shit. 😛
? I can't tell if that's sarcasm or not.... ?
Well the humor in Spidey Homecoming's trailers I thought was actually funny! (That's a first, I never liked previous superhero humor) I was a huge fan of the comics so I'm over-critical with these movies.
But I loooved Alien Covenant, tho.... ?
Nope, can't say I have. That's because, not liking Star Wars, I don't bother talking about it.
Now, I'm a big fan of Doctor Who; I've watched it since the very beginning and I'm a self confessed Dalek geek. I make CG models of the damn things and post them online for others to use. You could say I'm a bit obsessed.
I didn't like the 2010 redesign of the Daleks and I made my opinions known on a forum but not to extent of saying the show was doomed, or crowing about low viewing figures or some of the stuff I've seen here.
With the show (Doctor Who) in general, there have been stories I didn't enjoy, casting decisions I thought were wrong, various things here and there that weren't to my liking but overall I've been content to take it as it comes. If there comes a time when I don't enjoy the show at all, I'll stop watching it. I don't demand that any TV delivers exactly what I want, when or how I want it.
Simply put, too many people have a sense of entitlement about something they think is "Their Show". It ain't. It belongs to the people who created it, no more, no less. Ya don't like? Don't watch. It's easy.
We like, but we complain.
If we don't like we wouldn't even be here.
?
Hahahaa!
Nope, can't say I have. That's because, not liking Star Wars, I don't bother talking about it.
Now, I'm a big fan of Doctor Who; I've watched it since the very beginning and I'm a self confessed Dalek geek. I make CG models of the damn things and post them online for others to use. You could say I'm a bit obsessed.
I didn't like the 2010 redesign of the Daleks and I made my opinions known on a forum but not to extent of saying the show was doomed, or crowing about low viewing figures or some of the stuff I've seen here.
With the show (Doctor Who) in general, there have been stories I didn't enjoy, casting decisions I thought were wrong, various things here and there that weren't to my liking but overall I've been content to take it as it comes. If there comes a time when I don't enjoy the show at all, I'll stop watching it. I don't demand that any TV delivers exactly what I want, when or how I want it.
Simply put, too many people have a sense of entitlement about something they think is "Their Show". It ain't. It belongs to the people who created it, no more, no less. Ya don't like? Don't watch. It's easy.
We like, but we complain.
If we don't like we wouldn't even be here.
?
Hahahaa!
Sometimes I wonder. Seem to be a lot of posts going "Mer mer mer, this ain't Twin Peaks". Well, bad news... it is Twin Peaks.
Nope, can't say I have. That's because, not liking Star Wars, I don't bother talking about it.
Now, I'm a big fan of Doctor Who; I've watched it since the very beginning and I'm a self confessed Dalek geek. I make CG models of the damn things and post them online for others to use. You could say I'm a bit obsessed.
I didn't like the 2010 redesign of the Daleks and I made my opinions known on a forum but not to extent of saying the show was doomed, or crowing about low viewing figures or some of the stuff I've seen here.
With the show (Doctor Who) in general, there have been stories I didn't enjoy, casting decisions I thought were wrong, various things here and there that weren't to my liking but overall I've been content to take it as it comes. If there comes a time when I don't enjoy the show at all, I'll stop watching it. I don't demand that any TV delivers exactly what I want, when or how I want it.
Simply put, too many people have a sense of entitlement about something they think is "Their Show". It ain't. It belongs to the people who created it, no more, no less. Ya don't like? Don't watch. It's easy.
We like, but we complain.
If we don't like we wouldn't even be here.
?
Hahahaa!
Sometimes I wonder. Seem to be a lot of posts going "Mer mer mer, this ain't Twin Peaks". Well, bad news... it is Twin Peaks.
There's an anime called Evangelion. When the director didn't give it a conclusive ending, the fans actually gave him death threats.
My point :
YOU BETTER WATCH OUT AFTER PART 18, LYNCH!!!
@SamXtherapy: yeah, I addressed the audience entitlement issue somewhere on this board, in one of the earlier parts sub-forum. And you're right, it's true: trying to enjoy something while holding it to what we think it should be instead of taking it for what it is and try to figure out if there's a way we can enjoy it... it's a loosing game. It's trying to play against the movie/tv show/whatever instead of playing with it.
I tend to blame it on that huge number of movies and show that tends to challenge the audience as less as (or 'not at all if') possible. People grew accostumed to a 45 min. format where everything is explained in detail, both visually and through dialogue, to have a musical score that emphatizes what's going on and enhances (and, literally, tells you) the feeling you are supposed to feel. Which is fine and all, of course, but once you take that away and ask for patience and collaboration... the audience feels lost. And get angry. And there goes the lynch mob, which... kind of make sense, I guess? 😛
@Oyster: It was kind-of-sarcasm. I enjoy the dumb-fan-big-special-effects-boom side of those films even though I think they are the perfect example of what's wrong with the industry, today (I had real issues with Covenant, though... 😛 ).
That was a joke, SamXTherapy.
? I'm a fan, just read my many posts about clues and theories.
Relax, willya.
I DVR, steam multiple times and bought it on iTuness, and stat padding the viewership is a big reason
If everyone did that, there wouldn't be a serious case against it.
It should also be noted, that lower first viewings in thr span Father's Day, the biggest wedding weekend, and 4tg of July weekend, is more than likely expected
@SamXtherapy: yeah, I addressed the audience entitlement issue somewhere on this board, in one of the earlier parts sub-forum. And you're right, it's true: trying to enjoy something while holding it to what we think it should be instead of taking it for what it is and try to figure out if there's a way we can enjoy it... it's a loosing game. It's trying to play against the movie/tv show/whatever instead of playing with it.
I tend to blame it on that huge number of movies and show that tends to challenge the audience as less as (or 'not at all if') possible. People grew accostumed to a 45 min. format where everything is explained in detail, both visually and through dialogue, to have a musical score that emphatizes what's going on and enhances (and, literally, tells you) the feeling you are supposed to feel. Which is fine and all, of course, but once you take that away and ask for patience and collaboration... the audience feels lost. And get angry. And there goes the lynch mob, which... kind of make sense, I guess? 😛
@Oyster: It was kind-of-sarcasm. I enjoy the dumb-fan-big-special-effects-boom side of those films even though I think they are the perfect example of what's wrong with the industry, today (I had real issues with Covenant, though... 😛 ).
Yeah, I don't get why ppl don't like that 1. Tell me your issues.
I like it 'cause personally I think it's dreamy to get to crossbreed your very own species of weird creatures. We saw so many variants in 1 movie. There's even airborne spores.
Plus I'm a bit of a snob with scripts. Later Ridley Scott movies are just high brow, the dialogue and ideas are lofty. Just watching Wonder Woman I was reminded how far the 2 are. The way Wonder Woman treated the gods myth was just... ugh I don't wanna say it. I'm a fan of greek mythology too.
@SamXtherapy: yeah, I addressed the audience entitlement issue somewhere on this board, in one of the earlier parts sub-forum. And you're right, it's true: trying to enjoy something while holding it to what we think it should be instead of taking it for what it is and try to figure out if there's a way we can enjoy it... it's a loosing game. It's trying to play against the movie/tv show/whatever instead of playing with it.
I tend to blame it on that huge number of movies and show that tends to challenge the audience as less as (or 'not at all if') possible. People grew accostumed to a 45 min. format where everything is explained in detail, both visually and through dialogue, to have a musical score that emphatizes what's going on and enhances (and, literally, tells you) the feeling you are supposed to feel. Which is fine and all, of course, but once you take that away and ask for patience and collaboration... the audience feels lost. And get angry. And there goes the lynch mob, which... kind of make sense, I guess? 😛
@Oyster: It was kind-of-sarcasm. I enjoy the dumb-fan-big-special-effects-boom side of those films even though I think they are the perfect example of what's wrong with the industry, today (I had real issues with Covenant, though... 😛 ).
I guess that's where we differ. I don't do TV. I mean, really don't. I have recordings of Doctor Who and Twin Peaks to watch when I can. Nothing else on telly interests me. Same with movies, too; I watch very few of 'em because they, like TV, tend to be formulaic, franchised nonsense with paper thin plots and more Deus Ex Machinae than you could shake a stick at. Too much lazy writing, too many poor actors. If I had a pound (yep, I'm a Brit) for every time I was a lot smarter than absolutely everyone in the story, I'd be a millionaire by now. It gets old.
I freely admit I'm an old grumpy git who is very, very hard to please but despite that, I have never thought the makers of TV shows, movies or whatever owe me anything. Except maybe the shower of sh*t who made Alien Resurrection. That was by far the worst movie I ever paid to see, and even after all these years, I want a refund.
Same with books, too. Someone writes a book I don't like, I don't read their stuff again. There are far too many writers out there who won't use one word when 257 will do. Somewhere along the line, they got hold of the idea that a big book is inherently better than a small book. It's been said there are only about a dozen plots in the world and, reading some of the dross that pass for books these days, you'd believe it.
Twin Peaks, however, seems to sweep all that away. There's a wealth of stuff, both on the surface and hidden away, that adds to the whole. It's one of the few - in fact, the only - show/story that deals with spiritual matters that I can enjoy. Everyone who knows me will confirm I am the least spiritual person in the entire universe. I'm prepared to give Peaks the benefit of the doubt on that, the suspension of disbelief, because it's so damn good. I like unexpected, I like different, I like... weird, I guess. But here's the thing... it's not self-consciously weird or trying to be "edgy" (now there's a word I really, really dislike), it just is. It's a law unto itself. I'm happy to watch, wait and see. The journey is at least half the fun.
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