Have I missed a solving post, or are we still working on what Mr. C told Argentina (if that was where he was calling) on the phone in Yankton prison? Could he have been referring to the fact that he was succeeding in getting out of that prison: him being the cow (C) and the moon being the walls of the prison?
Are you sure? He didn't need to get arrested to blackmail the warden and get Ray out. Besides the car crash was an accident and that's what led the police to him.
Are you sure? He didn't need to get arrested to blackmail the warden and get Ray out. Besides the car crash was an accident and that's what led the police to him.
To me, it seems he did need to get arrested. Why would he choose to travel during the day and exact time he knew the Lodge would try to reclaim him? He could have put himself in a safe space and fought off the Lodge, and THEN gone to collect Ray. The fact he gets arrested seems to be entirely intentional, because Mr C., as I believe, also wished to alert the FBI to his presence, and could do this efficiently by being arrested. Two birds with one stone. I do not believe Mr C. being involved in that car crash was an accident at all.
Are you sure? He didn't need to get arrested to blackmail the warden and get Ray out. Besides the car crash was an accident and that's what led the police to him.
To me, it seems he did need to get arrested. Why would he choose to travel during the day and exact time he knew the Lodge would try to reclaim him? He could have put himself in a safe space and fought off the Lodge, and THEN gone to collect Ray. The fact he gets arrested seems to be entirely intentional, because Mr C., as I believe, also wished to alert the FBI to his presence, and could do this efficiently by being arrested. Two birds with one stone. I do not believe Mr C. being involved in that car crash was an accident at all.
Definitely.
Are you sure? He didn't need to get arrested to blackmail the warden and get Ray out. Besides the car crash was an accident and that's what led the police to him.
To me, it seems he did need to get arrested. Why would he choose to travel during the day and exact time he knew the Lodge would try to reclaim him? He could have put himself in a safe space and fought off the Lodge, and THEN gone to collect Ray. The fact he gets arrested seems to be entirely intentional, because Mr C., as I believe, also wished to alert the FBI to his presence, and could do this efficiently by being arrested. Two birds with one stone. I do not believe Mr C. being involved in that car crash was an accident at all.
Can you explain me why would he want to alert the FBI to his presence?
Maybe he wants to saw Albert's head open and eat his brains?
Maybe he wants to saw Albert's head open and eat his brains?
There you go! Now I don't think I need to watch the remaining 10 parts. Huge spoiler!
@somethingvagu3: wow, wait a minute guys. How do we know for sure that Mr. C was aware of 2:53 on beforehand? His accident seemed to be occuring because of brain circuit interference he got in HIS head at the same moment as when GoodCoop went 'electrical' in the Purple Room. Pre-garmonbozia, so to speak. On the other hand: the dogpaw (no not 'dugpa', heheh) found in his trunk proved that he had his 'Yankton strategy' worked out on beforehand. But then again: if C is so all-knowing, why does he need Ray/Betty's 'coordinates'? Those being the coordinates to the Red Room portal I always presumed?
See: we need another week to sort all these things out first...
Are you sure? He didn't need to get arrested to blackmail the warden and get Ray out. Besides the car crash was an accident and that's what led the police to him.
To me, it seems he did need to get arrested. Why would he choose to travel during the day and exact time he knew the Lodge would try to reclaim him? He could have put himself in a safe space and fought off the Lodge, and THEN gone to collect Ray. The fact he gets arrested seems to be entirely intentional, because Mr C., as I believe, also wished to alert the FBI to his presence, and could do this efficiently by being arrested. Two birds with one stone. I do not believe Mr C. being involved in that car crash was an accident at all.
Can you explain me why would he want to alert the FBI to his presence?
Perhaps he wants them to locate the real Coop so that they save him the hassle of having to do so himself?
@somethingvagu3: wow, wait a minute guys. How do we know for sure that Mr. C was aware of 2:53 on beforehand? His accident seemed to be occuring because of brain circuit interference he got in HIS head at the same moment as when GoodCoop went 'electrical' in the Purple Room. Pre-garmonbozia, so to speak. On the other hand: the dogpaw (no not 'dugpa', heheh) found in his trunk proved that he had his 'Yankton strategy' worked out on beforehand. But then again: if C is so all-knowing, why does he need Ray/Betty's 'coordinates'? Those being the coordinates to the Red Room portal I always presumed?
See: we need another week to sort all these things out first...
Exactly! I think there will be further developments on this. I don't recall him to be aware of 2:53 and there was nothing programmed about that accident. Like I said before, he was heading there but he's plans took a turn with the accident and once in prison he was using what he had against the warden. I don't remember Gordon Cole's exact words but he was clear with the warden about holding BadCoop until further notice (2nd time he was there with Diane). So, it's quite plausible that he'll return and we get something more.
@somethingvagu3: wow, wait a minute guys. How do we know for sure that Mr. C was aware of 2:53 on beforehand? His accident seemed to be occuring because of brain circuit interference he got in HIS head at the same moment as when GoodCoop went 'electrical' in the Purple Room. Pre-garmonbozia, so to speak. On the other hand: the dogpaw (no not 'dugpa', heheh) found in his trunk proved that he had his 'Yankton strategy' worked out on beforehand. But then again: if C is so all-knowing, why does he need Ray/Betty's 'coordinates'? Those being the coordinates to the Red Room portal I always presumed?
See: we need another week to sort all these things out first...
I believe, rightly or wrongly, that the coordinates he seeks are to the White Lodge, this seems to be supported, although I can't remember where now by something in Frost's SHOTP, or maybe something Brigg's said in the original seasons. Maybe Mr C thinks / knows the FBI have that information, perhaps through Project Blue Book, so he's trying to draw them in by any means. Then there is this Jeffries character who continues to elude everyone. I do wonder whether Lynch has some footage of Bowie playing that part.
Funny the more I type, the less I realise I know. That's meant to be a good life lesson right?
The people of the Black Lodge seem to see the White Lodge as some kind of nirvana, or perhaps something they want control of.
That post about the moon children helps here from the other thread, thanks for that; and this is really messy because it has to go through many detours, but this is the way it is working, one conclusion is bold at bottom:
The 'cow jumped over the moon': non-productive repetition, the cow(production that sustains normal life, farm life, enjoyment, money etc.); thus cow is the same order/disorder lives on in twin peaks. These are dreams of an atom which give you money, exchange between people that allows you to control through tyranny for your own arbitrary ends(girl gets the golden brown laura penny, turns evil, red uses the silver dime to control and humiliate richard. When the cow jumps over the moon, white-cow, conscious idea about how the community and we are so great no matter what: giant is sleeping, twin peaks is sleepwalking, pretended there was never the tragedy of Laura Palmer, that there are no problems, like the RR diner pretends; white also secretly engages with black, shelly acts as innocent local girl but is seduced by the evil leo and red, etc., becky is similar, etc., James using Laura and not solving her problems because cannot admit something is wrong, up to the point that he parasitizes Laura's death to seduce Donna, and Donna is guilty as well, both of them using Lauras death, dont really care about her problems, which would not make someone want to engage in romance over it, which is also why they were so wrong all the time, always on the wrong path and why log lady got upset after seeing them and vandalized the RR with her gum, also she did this to the police station, she knows the secrets, that something is deeply wrong with all of the them and their community, and that they are secretly evil and dont really care about any of it; as long as they can feel good, laura can die a million times, etc. ....
Other 'moon child': not laura, not the giant, not white or black, but a third which overturns the intercourse between white and black which sustains the never-ending horror that is twin peaks: Paul Mua' dib(which means moon shadow of a mouse), who fully stands up to the fact that there is an atomic blast, has to risk life by drinking that liquid 'water of life'(this is the water this is the well, so that he also has ability to challenge power down to the level of atomic blast, the splitting of the atom, absolute); I am guessing this will be agent cooper when he reunites his left arm(Mr. C) to the 'mouse' dougie and becomes whole(315 back together again); big question is will he be like the old cooper who was seduced by Laura after his first dream, clearly enjoying it(you know what laura whispered, 'i killed myself', 'lets rock for 25 years'), i sure hope not, but I hope he will have the determination of people like Mr. C or Red, but for the 'third side' which solves the mysteries, fixes the problems, Paul Mua' dib like, new Cooper, hardened by the pain and driven to bring justice, not like the black-white side just leaching off of the world for petty crap
Oh yeah, why 'cow', jack trades his cow for the magic beans, loses the normal production and reality, which allows him to reach the 'lodge' where he finds a tyrannous giant slumbering, who then invades his world to tear it apart, like say red or Mr. C, or the slumbering giant dreaming of laura and the fancy lady(lauras logic, all chase her, go crazy, etc.); so one of them must die, the giant must be killed to defeat black, white-black has an'intercourse' they trade garmanbozia to each other and make deals, merely reflecting reality while remaining mainly passive, only the 'third' can defeat them by solving the problems in the world.
Where do we see the 'magic beans'? in the congressmen's dillema, guy who killed his wife because he did not want to breach 'national security'. In the series of clues it was placed at the end, like the dog legs for Mr. C, both are tools of escape after getting into a 'blue rose' dilemma and ending up using a gun, Mr. C used the dog legs, but what about the magic beans?
Magic beans is an attempt to hide or escape from an antagonism, like the dog legs, or even find a way out, how to solve the problem. Briggs-White is now perpetually caught in a blue rose and his prints are always found at crime scenes, white is committing crimes(there is a body alright, the old law briggs valued is suspended, and Bobby knew this, momentarily glimpsing the truth and finding the solution because he valued his fathers law secretly so he cared about what community did to laura that they broke their duty, which is why he also became a cop later and is still upset about laura). slumbering giant which wakes up to terrorize the world, sleeping law wakes up to find guy invading the law, breaking it(BOB), goes crazy and gets caught in the trouble; giant now has to wake up because Laura is dead, the atom is split, atomic blast.
Magic beans is an attempt to find something more, or whats behind, the everyday production of value on the farm/twin peaks, sell the cow for the beans, but its not that you should keep the cow, because white-black is the cow, normal life and its escape transgression which reinforce each other, which is why Mr. C wants the cow to make a revolution around the moon, repeating the same, time and time again BOB BOB BOB BOB. But trying to get out of the farm-cow presents an opportunity: once awaking the sleeping giant and unleashing his terror(going to canada parties, drugs, sleazy, etc., enforced by terror, as the only way, Mr. C etc.), the one who was trying to leave can either join the giant or kill the giant, thus the congressmen's dilemma. The congressmen's dilemma, beans are his 'way out' of the dilemma: the congressmen sees the tyranny behind the state, that law is corrupt but he does not want to expose this and solve the problems, thus he cannot say who the killer is because it would 'breach national security'(everyone has to believe state is protecting from terrorists, thats why they have to suspend the constitution, surveillance everything, etc., that they have no terror motives themselves to inflict, that kennedy was killed by oswald, etc.). Thus congressmen does not want to expose white, wants to go on dreaming like James that Twin Peaks is guaranteed to be a great place, etc., then finds its not, giant wakes up, fancy woman/wife is killed for an escape hiding rather than solving the problems. In the congressmen's dilemmas clues there was a picture of one blonde woman(Laura-like), then two women in swimsuits in a blue background(shelly and her friend at the bar during episode 2's blue song), then a young boy(james who is prime to be taken advantage of by them because he does not want to breach national security and expose twin peaks for what it is and solve the problems), the the gun............james/congressmen cannot breach national security, expose the place for what it is, terror of white-black together, and maintain their identity through the idea of good community, when this breaks down, the wife/mistress(sleeping with Briggs?) gets killed(also hastings here); looks like James cannot be Mua' dib, but more like a congressmen, naive tool; while bobby had the secret, he valued his father's law, but knew it was corrupted to the core and with black, and wanted to solve it and restore a better 'true freedom'(but for him was this momentary spontaneous that goes away to his normal cynical crap that solves nothing?, probably, but this looks like more of a chance)
so the question is, will James kill in this series?
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