Hello everyone,
The big house we see in spisode 8, the one where the giant is living in.... can it be in any way related to the big house Garland saw in his "vision" in second season when he talks to Bobby while eating pie?
I didn't read all the topics and maybe someone pulled that elsewhere in the forum, but please let me know what you think about this.
Thanks!
In case he was referring to the White Lodge...I would say a big 'Yes'.
Many viewers are coming to the logical conclusion that it's the White Lodge, myself included. Surprisingly I didn't think of that right away, but rather a few hours after I let the experience of Part 8 gel in my mind. This series is really something else in that it often makes you sit and think about what happened then later it creates a structured picture.
Many viewers are coming to the logical conclusion that it's the White Lodge, myself included. Surprisingly I didn't think of that right away, but rather a few hours after I let the experience of Part 8 gel in my mind. This series is really something else in that it often makes you sit and think about what happened then later it creates a structured picture.
It does seem logical, and the place Ronette was is the black lodge, and the red room is the waiting room. . .
But that's a bit to simplistic, almost to where I don't think either was a lodge at all
For Garlands "vision" It has been assumed since the original series that it was more like Coopers "dream" where we first saw The Arm etc.
Many viewers are coming to the logical conclusion that it's the White Lodge, myself included. Surprisingly I didn't think of that right away, but rather a few hours after I let the experience of Part 8 gel in my mind. This series is really something else in that it often makes you sit and think about what happened then later it creates a structured picture.
It does seem logical, and the place Ronette was is the black lodge, and the red room is the waiting room. . .
But that's a bit to simplistic, almost to where I don't think either was a lodge at all
For Garlands "vision" It has been assumed since the original series that it was more like Coopers "dream" where we first saw The Arm etc.
Not Ronette, character is credited as "American Girl" - it is outside the BL, and outside our world, a kind of limbo.
...and let's keep calling that one The Purple Room, please. For my theory on this one please consider http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/discuss/twin-peaks-part-8/my-new-bell-theory/
really good clue, this explains a lot, and how bobby knew the secret(valued white-law secretly from father, became a cop, but knew white was corrupted by black since he himself was in teenage rebellion, knew how black worked; thus he had the secret on how to solve lauras/twin peaks mystery and problem, which he admirably voiced at laura's funeral, that is the real way, etc.)
Check out my long post here, goes into alot of this stuff: http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/discuss/twin-peaks-part-8/the-cow-jumped-over-the-moon-2/#post-4745
Things is....he says it is the place where he was 'born and raised'. Would be a bit outrageous if Briggs was 'born and raised' in the White Lodge 'palazzo'.
Things is....he says it is the place where he was 'born and raised'. Would be a bit outrageous if Briggs was 'born and raised' in the White Lodge 'palazzo'.
Thank you so much for posting this clip. It carries so much more weight now than it did at the time, i.e. when it first broadcast in '90/'91. I'd even go as far as saying I probably thought it was a little cheesy. (hokey). Now knowing how lost in his work it seems clear Garland was that Bobby lacked a father figure and hence parental guidance (which reminds me of a Sailor Ripley quote from WAH). It's a really special moment and one wonders how this thread will progress. I'm reminded of the scene in the Roadhouse when Maddy was being killed. Bobby was at the bar. Next to him the old guy, or señor drool cup to quote Albert, stood. Bobby sensed something was going on. I wonder what he has inherited from his father. It also struck me while writing this how little attention Bobby paid to Maddy who looked so much like Laura, certainly enough to throw James for a loop. I guess Bobby was much too lost in Shelly. I do wonder if Beccy is their daughter.
Anyways to re-iterate, thanks again for sharing what is now a far richer moment between father and son.
It's sad though. It almost sounds like Garland Briggs knew he would not be around much longer and was saying goodbye to his son, from whom he was so distant. Trying to leave Bobby with a good memory.
Things is....he says it is the place where he was 'born and raised'. Would be a bit outrageous if Briggs was 'born and raised' in the White Lodge 'palazzo'.
Thank you so much for posting this clip. It carries so much more weight now than it did at the time, i.e. when it first broadcast in '90/'91. I'd even go as far as saying I probably thought it was a little cheesy. (hokey). Now knowing how lost in his work it seems clear Garland was that Bobby lacked a father figure and hence parental guidance (which reminds me of a Sailor Ripley quote from WAH). It's a really special moment and one wonders how this thread will progress. I'm reminded of the scene in the Roadhouse when Maddy was being killed. Bobby was at the bar. Next to him the old guy, or señor drool cup to quote Albert, stood. Bobby sensed something was going on. I wonder what he has inherited from his father. It also struck me while writing this how little attention Bobby paid to Maddy who looked so much like Laura, certainly enough to throw James for a loop. I guess Bobby was much too lost in Shelly. I do wonder if Beccy is their daughter.
Anyways to re-iterate, thanks again for sharing what is now a far richer moment between father and son.
Bobby was the one who did not lack a father figure of the law, and actually took a lesson from the old paternal authority. Bobby took the law seriously and rebelled against it for its failings, thereby 'calling the law out for its failures', holding it to account; which is why he was able to recognize the tragedy of Laura and the guilt of the community(his speech at the funeral and how he was at the bar next to the old man with a link to the lodge); and this is also why he ended up going from rebellion to being a cop. Bobby rebels against the law for kicks, but there are moments where his rebellion hits the key points and he wanted that 'house' but sees that it fails, tries to do something at some isolated points. He is upset that this 'house' doesnt exist, cannot find it in reality, and unlike the rest of the community, was actually disturbed by it and actually tried to do something, and why he genuinely cried over Lauras picture and asked for justice at her funeral, while the community just let it go and pretended it was just some random mistake, allowing them to continue on in the same way that gave Laura 'no way out'.....will bobby be able to do anything today, or will he be too caught in the community to 'tear it apart' and relegate himself to enjoyments, perversions, etc. that are the law of the land...?
The weird conclusion here is that James(and major briggs) are more wrong towards Laura here. Major Briggs told Bobby before the funeral, just forget about it, learn to move on without Laura, while Bobby actually tried to bring justice to the situation, showing that his rebellion actually was at some points concerned with bringing justice to a community that was failing in its ethical duty, and was rebelling to demand fixing the problem. Major's house is not guaranteed if people destroy it, the world full of truck drivers, etc. take over and systematically encouraged by the 'spirit of the people/times'(to put it simply), people have to rebel and demand it is brought back at an improved level after trying to solve its problems. James took this 'house' as guaranteed no matter what people did, making him more identified with something like a 'bookhouse boys' mafia enforcing a tyranny which prevents the problems from being fixed, they cannot be disturbed no matter what, just ignore the problems to keep the dream of good laura alive, a sleeping giant. This allowed James the freedom to participate secretly in the communities obscene enjoyments of tearing up Laura: notice how after she is dead, he moves on immediately and uses her memory in order to seduce Donna, then dumps donna immediately for the Laura look alike, and why James was always on the wrong path and never really loved laura, but just his own narcissistic enjoyment. Donna is guilty here too, competing with Laura, etc., using the tragedy for dross/base stuff, but then they dont understand what went wrong because they believed that the community was supposed to supply good for them.
Bobby secretly wanted to create a just order, bring back the dream of this 'house', since he knows the dirty underside of how it fails(drugs, Jacque, Leo, Laura, etc.). While James secretly was in the dirty underside, ignoring that the house fails.....the house works, so the problems here can be ignored...., also suspect Major Briggs was like James here, not able to cope with the all pervasive corruption which became a law(woodsmen took over the radio, the government, all authority), the new law which tells people to enjoy, tear up Laura, but what it prohibits is solving the problems, bringing justice so that their obscene profits-enjoyments as a law, ordered to enjoy(mother), can continue unchecked(law/order of woodsmen(BOB, Leland, Jacques, Red, et al), 'mother'(Laura, vamps, etc.), sleeping giant(James, Briggs)). This is why Major Briggs' prints end up on so many crime scenes during his reappearance from the red room, his 'hidden side' is criminal(like Hastings revenge against his wife); he is maybe too 'homely' like James and has to justify the world, not realize it is split in its center like an atom bomb, thus ends up trying to be part of their mafia while hypocritically pretending he is not, he never fought.
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