I may have missed a discussion on this, but have we considered the possibility of all sequences with Dougie to be in an alternate reality designed to transition Coop back into the real world? I know once Coop / Dougie was dropped off at the house with the red door and we saw the owl overhead, I assumed this to mean the house and inhabitants were manufactured to east his transition in. But I'm now thinking this entire setting has been manufactured. Everything is just too convenient for Coop / Dougie from dodging the hit men by dropping the key, to actually receiving winnings as Mr. Jackpots, to the positive reception from everyone at the office despite his lucid behavior. Of course we note the signals from the red room guiding coop through some of these experiences.
The only connection I could think of into the real word was the mailing of the key to the great northern. But this could also be a symbol in some way. Also the reducing number of red ballons as the sequence continues may be something. Like scoring his progress into reality.
Or not.
Oh? I must have missed that thread. Im curious as to why it was dismissed.....
The main reason is because Jade - the hooker Dougie was with at the time Coop returned - found Cooper's Great Northern key in her car, then posted it back.
Sometime later, in what we assume is the real world, the key is delivered to the hotel.
Although it's not stated explicitly, it's reasonable to assume the hotel and all that's been happening around there is the real Twin Peaks world and therefore Jade, the key, Dougie and Coop are part of the same continuity.
Also, the wedding ring found in Major Garland Briggs' corpse, by detectives working a case that the DoppelCoop was involved in.
Hmmm....well I considered the key in the above post. And the ring as well but Mulholland Drive had also played with like "items" across various realities to confuse as well. Was the key and the ring meant to solidify these sequences are in the same world as you suggest or to throw us off? I still think there is a possibility....they way that key was mailed was a bit strange - no envelope? no stamp? And the ring - Major Briggs has been known to traverse the White Lodge so who knows how that really got there. When I re-watch all the Dougie scenes everything just seems to work out too perfectly for him. And the balloons??
And I will further this by suggesting....if these are both in direct reality, what will then wake Cooper up? I don't think it will be as easy as a moment or event as everyone is suggesting. Presumably he needs to find himself back in Twin Peaks. How will he physically get there? By plan? Train? Hitchhike? It all seems to direct and obvious. I'm guessing something will trigger the continuation of a sequence like we've seen in episode 3. Cooper still need his shoes by the way. He will traverse the lodges or waiting rooms and somehow end up in the forrest - as Dale Cooper.
I realize I'm reaching here - just an out there suggestion
As much as I adore Janey-E, I feel that she is part of a manufactured scenario to provide a safe haven for DougieCoop while he recovers from his transition. Aside from all the strange conveniences offered to our hero, there is something too perfect for belief in the Jones home. If I could cite only one thing, it would be the scene at breakfast when Janey-E is completely oblivious and making breakfast like a goodly housewife and "Take Five" is playing. The last time I heard that song, it was used in Pleasantville when the TV characters were coming to an understanding that there's more to the world than just their little suburban community. Granted that may be a stretch, but that's the feeling I get.
I wonder how definitive Mr. C's death has to be for Cooper to return to full consciousness. If it's merely a technicality where a temporary death counts, Ray may have handed Cooper back to us with two shots.
But we still have a full week to wait and see.
Where did the Arm think they were sending Dale Cooper when they told him he could "go back" ? There is an odd sequence of invents in the Red Room, waiting room, whatever we call it. Coop is told he can return, but the bad coop has to return as well before the good Coop can go. But then Dale is sent anyway. There is no indication that anyone in the Red Room knew about a "manufactured Dougie" until after it happens. Mike tells Dale "you were tricked," but it appears that the waiting room crowd was tricked as well. Mike appears confused and somewhat desperate in his next few scenes throughout the episodes.
Do we believe that Bob/Bad Coop are able to create parallel universes as well as fake people?
Where is Dale supposed to be? I suppose at the oil pond by the sycamore trees. And then what?
My guess is the main portal out of the Waiting Room was blocked on the technicality that the Doppelganger didn't return and shuttered the way out. The second option as Dale was expelled through the floor which to my understanding was through the power of the Arm's Doppelganger forced him into the glass box trap in New York City. That way didn't work either as progress ahead prevented him from getting out. Finally he was pulled back to what I'm going to call the White Lodge until I hear a better explanation where Naido chose to sacrifice herself by converting the physical essence of the electrical outlet so Dale could find a backdoor escape. I would assume there's plenty of other portals out of the lodge world, but considering how odd and convoluted each progressive exit is, who knows how much more screwed up Dale might be if he took a more complicated path.
As I have said in an earlier thread, MIKE's assertion to DougieCoop to "wake up...don't die!!" seem to refer to someone who is comatose for sometime now.
I have a suspecion that GoodCoop is in a coma and lying in a hospital somewhere for the past 25 years, while BadCoop was the one discovered by Sherriff Truman and Hawk back in that cave 25 years ago, and he has been wreaking havoc -- killing and raping his way as BOB's host during this time period as well.
Would be interesting to see how BadCoop would've changed now that BOB is taken out of his body. Probably not much, but we'll see what happens next week.
Aaron Wade--That does make a lot of sense. But it suggests, to me at least, that Naido found a way to go, but it could be that it sent him to the version of Dale Cooper that inhabits a parallel reality. I mean, once the cigarette lighter in the car became inaccessible, he could end up anywhere and Bad Coop wouldn't need to "create" a Dougie. That having been said, i really don't like the parallel universe idea and hope that isn't what is going on.
Aaron Wade--That does make a lot of sense. But it suggests, to me at least, that Naido found a way to go, but it could be that it sent him to the version of Dale Cooper that inhabits a parallel reality. I mean, once the cigarette lighter in the car became inaccessible, he could end up anywhere and Bad Coop wouldn't need to "create" a Dougie. That having been said, i really don't like the parallel universe idea and hope that isn't what is going on.
I don't think it's an alternate reality, just a different route. The path from the 15 outlet may or may not have led to the car with Mr. C behind the wheel. I originally thought it was calling Mr. C back into the Lodge and his ability to hold onto his garmonbozia was what kept him back.
Hmmm....well I considered the key in the above post. And the ring as well but Mulholland Drive had also played with like "items" across various realities to confuse as well. Was the key and the ring meant to solidify these sequences are in the same world as you suggest or to throw us off? I still think there is a possibility....they way that key was mailed was a bit strange - no envelope? no stamp? And the ring - Major Briggs has been known to traverse the White Lodge so who knows how that really got there. When I re-watch all the Dougie scenes everything just seems to work out too perfectly for him. And the balloons??
It's standard for items such as keys to be mailed in such a way. Many organizations have an arrangement with postal services to pay for the safe return.
There are plenty of weirdnesses happening around Cooper but I haven't seen anything to suggest he's in anywhere but the base level Twin Peaks reality.
As I have said in an earlier thread, MIKE's assertion to DougieCoop to "wake up...don't die!!" seem to refer to someone who is comatose for sometime now.
I have a suspecion that GoodCoop is in a coma and lying in a hospital somewhere for the past 25 years, while BadCoop was the one discovered by Sherriff Truman and Hawk back in that cave 25 years ago, and he has been wreaking havoc -- killing and raping his way as BOB's host during this time period as well.
Would be interesting to see how BadCoop would've changed now that BOB is taken out of his body. Probably not much, but we'll see what happens next week.
Oh, I really hope not. That idea has been done to death. Iain Banks did it in "The Bridge", his third novel, 31 years ago, then it was the basis of the British tv show "Life On Mars" from 11 years ago. I'd be very surprised and disappointed if Lynch and co would plagiarize in such an obvious way.
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