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(@natural-log-e)
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So, does anyone remember a movie written by Stephen King and starring Mädchen Amick entitled "Sleepwalkers?" The song that played over the credits was the theme for that movie. Any possible pop culture connection?

Also, did anyone notice that an ominous "dark mood" style song was playing underneath the tune? Elsewhere, people were bothered by the Bing/Billy controversy, and noted that many lapses in time and setting occurred over these closing credits. 

What's happening at Norma's RR Diner?

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Posted : 20/06/2017 6:32 pm
(@audrey-horne)
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Are you referring to the RR scene referred to in 7:00 to 8:00 in this review video?

As I stated in another post, the lapses in settings/customers of the diner suddenly changes where they sat, their clothes, etc, might have indicated that there are two different universes in "Twin Peaks" with each persons having their own Doppelganger versions. Hence, you have GoodCoop, EvilCoop (Mr. C), and DougieCoop, and likely each characters will have their own Doppelversions in the alternate universe as well...

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Posted : 20/06/2017 8:51 pm
(@natural-log-e)
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Yes, and especially in reference to the music. At first, maybe it's just before "Bing" (Riley Lynch) comes in to inquire after "Billy" (?), the music is just "Sleep Walk;" as the credits roll, though, it sounds like some Windom Earle-type music playing at an increasing volume underneath the diner tune. 

 

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Posted : 20/06/2017 11:51 pm
(@karen_paynter)
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Doppelgangers are from inside the Black Lodge, all those people would have had to have visited. Cooper is of our world, but went into the BL. So his doppelganger came out in his place, and at some point "Dougie" was created for a purpose ( and now no longer exists, Cooper got out & people in Vegas think he is "Dougie" ).

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Posted : 21/06/2017 12:05 am
(@audrey-horne)
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Posted by: natural log - E

Yes, and especially in reference to the music. At first, maybe it's just before "Bing" (Riley Lynch) comes in to inquire after "Billy" (?), the music is just "Sleep Walk;" as the credits roll, though, it sounds like some Windom Earle-type music playing at an increasing volume underneath the diner tune. 

 

Is that video yours?

No, it's a Youtube recap by someone called "Wow, Lynch, Wow!!"

You should consider subscribing to it. I think it's the best video recap for "Twin Peaks" new series out there, very detailed and offers many interesting theories.

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Posted : 21/06/2017 12:22 am
(@audrey-horne)
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Posted by: Karen

Doppelgangers are from inside the Black Lodge, all those people would have had to have visited. Cooper is of our world, but went into the BL. So his doppelganger came out in his place, and at some point "Dougie" was created for a purpose ( and now no longer exists, Cooper got out & people in Vegas think he is "Dougie" ).

True, but we don't know yet whether the original person and his/her Doppel could exist in the same universe or whether they exist in parallel universe.

The RR scene seems to hint that there are at least two (perhaps more) universes in the TP world. This scene, combined with the inconsistencies in the "Secret History of Twin Peaks" Book (e.g., Nadine's last name, whether her mother has passed away before 1989 or not, etc.) seem to support the theory that two or more universes exist in TP

List of  inconsistencies found on the "Secret History" book can be found at: http://twinpeaks.wikia.com/wiki/The_Secret_History_of_Twin_Peaks

 

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Posted : 21/06/2017 12:31 am
(@karen_paynter)
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That scene is open to interpretation. Could be intended as a jump in time.

 The new show is not tied to the book, David Lynch said that was Mark Frost's idea of the TP world. They co-wrote the script, and at least an idea or two made it in, like the character of Tamara Preston.

 

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Posted : 21/06/2017 12:39 am
(@karen_paynter)
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I watched p. 7 again, at the ending ( diner scene ) I re-watched it 3 times. Heidi is in the middle behind the counter with Shelly. Then it cuts again to Norma doing paper-work, then customers are different with the camera-view from other side of the room, and Heidi is out by tables near the front. I think it's just intended as a jump in time, using the shot of Norma as the divide.

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Posted : 21/06/2017 5:19 am
(@marcus_wilson)
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My take on this scene - it is Lynch having a bit if fun with alternate universes. A couple of things stood out for me when watching again:

  1. The car passing by the window when the guy runs into the diner asking for Billy, is travelling at "normal" speed, when we cut to the next scene, the care travelling past the window is travelling very slowly 
  2. Whilst Norma is checking the books the final time we see her there are shadows that move across the wall behind her. 
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Posted : 21/06/2017 8:24 am
(@pier_federico_miozzo)
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The way that scene was edited is genius. Absolutely genius.

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Posted : 21/06/2017 2:18 pm
(@pier_federico_miozzo)
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Posted by: Karen

That scene is open to interpretation. Could be intended as a jump in time.

 The new show is not tied to the book, David Lynch said that was Mark Frost's idea of the TP world. They co-wrote the script, and at least an idea or two made it in, like the character of Tamara Preston.

 

Exactly my thought. I think this is just a great great way of editing it, in a way the subconscious  mind of the audience feels that something is "out of place" without the conscious mind recognizing it at first or even second glance. Plus the fact that the guy comes in shouting, and the first and second cut to Norma they make it hard to see that some costumers are in a different position or have different clothes. The cool thing is that the Shelly look (like WTF?) can be interpreted straightforward regarding the guy that shouts "Hey! Somebody seen Billy?" (like who's this?) but on another level if you look at her by knowing this information now it looks also like she feels that something is "out of place". (like, that costumer that I just served pie to... wasn't it bitted somewhere else?) And yeah at the end of the song, some ominous music builds up just in time to vanish with the credits ending

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Posted : 21/06/2017 2:26 pm
(@zigzag)
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Posted by: Karen

I think it's just intended as a jump in time, using the shot of Norma as the divide.

I agree. The simplest explanation is that it is exactly what it appears to be: a type of film edit called a "jump cut". The question then becomes: Did anything important happen at the diner during the time skip?

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Posted : 21/06/2017 2:36 pm
(@karen_paynter)
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Do a time-lapse film of shadows on the wall: they'll move.

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Posted : 21/06/2017 11:22 pm
(@aaron_c_wade)
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Posted by: Zigzag
Posted by: Karen

I think it's just intended as a jump in time, using the shot of Norma as the divide.

I agree. The simplest explanation is that it is exactly what it appears to be: a type of film edit called a "jump cut". The question then becomes: Did anything important happen at the diner during the time skip?

This is what I wonder also. For all the continuous shots that they use, this one seems strangely out of place. I wonder if there really is a butchery in the edit to cover up a time gap. The last time someone pointed out that a fingerprint sprite was flipped and the lettering was reversed, some people accused the filmmakers of being lazy; turns out it was completely intentional and mentioned in Ep. 7.

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Posted : 21/06/2017 11:43 pm
(@mgsmd)
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In FWWM, Philip Jeffries said that "We live inside a dream."   Knowing DL love of "dream logic," seeing part of TP as a dream could explain a lot, such as the shift in the diner scene.  (I think that really was a shift, not a cut, in the film sense.  So many of the customers changed that a brief passage of time could not explain it.  For example, look at the table in the left foreground: a girl drinking milk in the first shot; totally different in the next.) The question then is who is dreaming (as much as I would hate this thing to have a "Dallas" explanation).  

On a separate note, any significance to the ear of corn picture in Gordon's office?  Whole corn good, creamed corn evil?

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Posted : 22/06/2017 11:25 am
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