A Non-Fanboy's Take 1/3 of the Way Through  

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Posted by: Eric from Sweden

The major difference is the lack of background music. There was so much background music in the original to set a certain mood. Now there is almost no background music what so ever, and therefor, I fear, that special Twin Peaks mood is gone. But... Much of season 3 isn't set in Twin Peaks, so that could explain a lot. But I really miss the music.

Hmm.  Maybe.  I do notice that the old show had a soap feel to it and that things were more "staged", while seas3 feels more documentary and real.

That sounded like I was badmouthing the old show.  I was not : documentary feel is bad!  ?

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"No, no, Dougie! Jade. Or. Me?"
"Me."
"Okay, once again. Jade. Or. Janey-E?"
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Posted : 25/06/2017 7:06 am
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Multiple replies inbound. Sorry for just quoting everyone to reply, but that's easier on mobile.

Thanks to those not just trashing me bc I may feel a little differently about this season than others. 

For anyone who even considered I was trolling of flaming, I'm not.

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Posted : 25/06/2017 9:49 am
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Posted by: Zack Sisson

"1. This show so far hasn't come close to how good season 1-2 are."

You REALLY need to rewatch season 2.

I also keep hearing complaints that the "quirkiness" is gone.  

What made this show popular was the murder of Laura Palmer by her possessed father who had been raping her since she was barely a teenager.

What got the show cancelled was an over abundance of "quirky" side characters ranging from Dick Tremayne to Tojamura to high school Nadine.

The quirky aspect of TP, for the most part, ended with FWWM 26 years ago.

 

 

I do agree that over quirkiness got the show cancelled. Actually I could be wrong, but I thought lynch originally wanted to do three seasons but ABC said "k, this is taking too long, tell us who the killer is and wrap it up" so lynch didn't get to fulfill his true vision.

 

I also like season 1.5 (season 1 and the killer reveal) over season 2 (everything after).

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Posted : 25/06/2017 9:53 am
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Posted by: Mark Chamberlain Stevens
Posted by: Zack Sisson

"1. This show so far hasn't come close to how good season 1-2 are."

You REALLY need to rewatch season 2.

I vividly remember the complaints in 1990, amongst the fans I was talking to during S2, that the show had hit the skids-there was frustration when the quality level dropped.

I also keep hearing complaints that the "quirkiness" is gone.  

What made this show popular was the murder of Laura Palmer by her possessed father who had been raping her since she was barely a teenager.

What got the show cancelled was an over abundance of "quirky" side characters ranging from Dick Tremayne to Tojamura to high school Nadine.

The quirky aspect of TP, for the most part, ended with FWWM 26 years ago.

The "water cooler" and viewing party discussions I remember from 90' were heavily centered on the lodges/briggs/giant/supernatural aspects...Tojomura never came up-Tremayne was seen as an annoying waste of time-at least here in the bay area (northern california) the "mystery" elements were the draw.

The reason it hit he skids was because ABC pushed lynch to reveal the killer. Once it was revealed, the allure for may fans was lost and ratings dropped. 

 

Imo peaks was probably 5-10 years before it's time and that's why it only was two seasons.

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Posted : 25/06/2017 9:55 am
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Thankfully we live in a different world now where a big network can't just call the shots like that. I think even if Showtime hadn't been willing to back The Return, fans probably could have raised the money themselves. 

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Posted : 25/06/2017 10:09 am
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Posted by: Häxan L. MorningStar

@Yamabag021: well, that's one...  weird opening post you got there, buddy : -)

 

It starts with a title that seems to suggest that whoever has a different, more positive or more optimistic, opinion than you, must be a fanboy/fangirl -- thus implying hir/her point of view as biased. 

Then you go on, however, by stating that you are a "peaks fan" as well and that

"This show so far hasn't come close to how good season 1-2 are."  

which, going by the same mentality that appears to be behind the title, leaves you exposed to being considered an "original TP-fanboy/fangirl" yourself; also, part of what you wrote from there on would support the idea that you are wearing 'nostalgia goggles' -- at least to a degree -- and that this is preventing you from enjoying the show.

Anyway, the point is that then you proceed to write a post that reads like a fanboy-rant verging on trolling, where you go in mostly subjectve stuff stating your opinions as facts. Mind it: I'm not saying that that's your intent, just that you're using exactly such kind of 'incendiary' style. 

 

About your points, now: 1 to 4 are completely subjectives, and your opinions are just stated -- as opposed to well-argued and detailed -- so there really isn't much to discuss, there. 

 

On to #5, however, I can say this: yes, there are references, call backs, hints and cues that tie in with most of Lynch's previous filmography, but it's nothing that subtracts from the plot or the characters if you can't pick up on them. What those do, however, is to provide a wider context and a more layered texture of meaning, and then it's each viewer's choice: one may acknowledge it (partially or fully), one may choose to ignore it completely, you may not care for any of it or you may just say "you know what, I'm interested, I'll go on and watch those other movies and see what I came up with". 

This is actuallt very respectful and fair to the viewer as it's one of the many regards in which this show treats its audience like intelligent, adult people.

 

What I found really quirk in your post, however, is that - right then - you have points #6 and #7, where you go on to say

" And even while having no clue wtf is going on, I find myself hanging on every scene trying to figure out what will happen."

which sounds like a good defintion for "endearing, interesting, exciting" (<- aka "definitely not 'boring' or 'too drawn out'"), just before adding:

"Even though Ive given up trying to figure anything out and just watch the episodes, I still come to this Damm site and read up on the theories from everyone."

and that's even more befuddling, because the first sentence is a direct contradiction of the previous one (it seems to me that either you are "hanging on every scene trying to figure out what will happen" or you have "given up trying to figure anything out") while the second once again confirms that you feel intrigued, interested and challenged by the show. 

I guess that what I'm trying to say here is: if "boring and too drawn out" capture your attention and entices you to the point where you are trying to figure things out and lurking on discussion boards to read even the most bonkers theories... then it's not really 'boring' and 'too' drawn out, right? : -)

So, since half of your post contradicts most of the other half, I... really don't know what you're talking about - except for the lynchian tie-ins.

 

The only other thing I clearly understand from your post is when you say that you " have faith lynch will tie everything together" -- yeah, I wouldn't count too much on that: I may be wrong, but I feel we are going to have a lot of things that will be left open for personal interpretation and a lot of "bring your own meaning to it" (which, when done correctly, is another way to acknowledge the audience's intelligence).

 

Nice talking to you : -)

I made a few posts on the site. Granted they were very early in the season, but this wasn't my first.

 

I only mention fanboys because there's people who lynch could do an hour-long shot of a cup of coffee and they would rave how amazing the episode was and how those that don't agree "don't get lynch". And I'll be 100% fair in saying that theres fanboys like that for everything. The one comment here I saw like that that was "get diane an Emmy now" for her one episode she was really in. Like cmon, that's total fanboy/girling lol.

I say it doesn't match season 1-2 (moreseo 1.5) because I never felt like 1.5 (1 and up to when the killer is revealed) didn't drag or there was filler. There's definitely stuff in season 3 imo that feels like is dragging or filling time. Not a ton, but it's there. And to be fair, most shows have filled episodes. Seems like rather than filler episodes, s3 has filler scenes.

It seems like you're trying to catch me in how I feel about the show, it's not happening. Season 1-2 while confusing did give you some solid stuff to go with. This season has been a TON of "wtf is this" with nothing to go on. Honestly, watching season 3 with sites like this one (which is an awesome site) and not having a site like this back in s1-2 maybe affects how I view it. I dunno.  The biggest thing that kept me watching so far is expecting the payoff of lynch tying everything together bc he did in season 1-2. He started to in ep 7 (imo). Episodes 1-6 had its good scenes, but overall hasn't been that good (once you get past seeing all the old characters you love from the original).

Imo lynch tied it up well in seasons 1-2. The only way he doesn't tie this up is if he plans/filmed for a season 4 and showtime doesn't renew the show and were stuck with any cliffhangers he leaves. The "audiences intelligence" thing is like the "you just don't get lynch" line when fans blindly defend lynch. It doesn't require intelligence to get season 1-2. 

 

If I missed anything, it's due to being too lazy to scroll back up and look for it. 🙂

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Posted : 25/06/2017 10:14 am
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Posted by: Eric from Sweden

The major difference is the lack of background music. There was so much background music in the original to set a certain mood. Now there is almost no background music what so ever, and therefor, I fear, that special Twin Peaks mood is gone. But... Much of season 3 isn't set in Twin Peaks, so that could explain a lot. But I really miss the music.

I think the major difference was season 1-2 was within the confines of twin peaks. 

Season 3 has multiple locales and multiple stories in those locations (the box, briggs body, twin peaks, everywhere dopplecooper goes, dougie). I think lynch will tie them together, but almost feels like there's too much going on.

 

Another thing, hd. Seasons 1-2 werent in hd. It has like a grimey look to it. Season 3 is so "clean" and nice looking. It just looks different. Not so much a bad thing, just different.

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Posted : 25/06/2017 10:20 am
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Posted by: laughingatsky

Thankfully we live in a different world now where a big network can't just call the shots like that. I think even if Showtime hadn't been willing to back The Return, fans probably could have raised the money themselves. 

Unfortunately, ratings rule. If this doesn't get viewers (and it isn't, compared to other showtime shows), I'm afraid we won't see a season 4, if lynch has one planned.

 

Dont shoot the messenger here, bc if lynch plans for a season 4, I wanna see it, but I have a feeling it won't happen.

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Posted : 25/06/2017 10:22 am
(@oyster_bells)
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You weren't being trashed, Yambag021....  ?

The first post was just funny the way it swung both ways....  (I'm sorry I laughed)

But I kinda understand how you feel.  Complain about it yet can't take eyes off it, huh?  That's me too, in a nutshell.  ?

"Dougie, who do you prefer now, me or that Jade?"
"Jade."
"No, no, Dougie! Jade. Or. Me?"
"Me."
"Okay, once again. Jade. Or. Janey-E?"
"E."

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Posted : 25/06/2017 2:32 pm
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Posted by: Yambag021

Unfortunately, ratings rule. If this doesn't get viewers (and it isn't, compared to other showtime shows), I'm afraid we won't see a season 4, if lynch has one planned.

 

Dont shoot the messenger here, bc if lynch plans for a season 4, I wanna see it, but I have a feeling it won't happen.

There is, however, a possibility that the show gets picked up by another network, say Netflix for instance. And I'm guessing, if that happens, I doubt they will give Lynch free hands do to whatever he wants. But we haven't gotten there yet. Maybe this season takes a huge turn with episode 8 and the rest of the season is just pure gold. We'll just have to wait and see.

https://youtu.be/NpYEJx7PkWE

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Posted : 25/06/2017 3:00 pm
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Many of the above responses to the new season are certainly understandable, but the way I see it, we're not really served well by comparisons of The Return to Season 1, 1.5, or 2. According to Lynch, The Return is to be viewed as an 18 part film, rather than an episodic television series (as the first two seasons were.) And I think the differences between the two formats (and the attendant constraints or potential) warrant a different metric of evaluation. 

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Posted : 25/06/2017 3:11 pm
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Posted by: CharlieSmith_ny

Many of the above responses to the new season are certainly understandable, but the way I see it, we're not really served well by comparisons of The Return to Season 1, 1.5, or 2. According to Lynch, The Return is to be viewed as an 18 part film, rather than an episodic television series (as the first two seasons were.) And I think the differences between the two formats (and the attendant constraints or potential) warrant a different metric of evaluation. 

"Different metric" is spot-on. Having the commercials gone is HUGE, for one. Immersion is more easily achieved with an uncut flow, i.e. "here's an intense mysterious scene followed by some idiot selling beer".

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Posted : 25/06/2017 3:21 pm
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From my understanding the show is doing big numbers in Europe which could make showtime money from international sales.

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Posted : 25/06/2017 3:39 pm
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Posted by: CharlieSmith_ny

Many of the above responses to the new season are certainly understandable, but the way I see it, we're not really served well by comparisons of The Return to Season 1, 1.5, or 2. According to Lynch, The Return is to be viewed as an 18 part film, rather than an episodic television series (as the first two seasons were.) And I think the differences between the two formats (and the attendant constraints or potential) warrant a different metric of evaluation. 

Now that you mentioned that, and someone earlier in the discussion also suggested that most of the "quirckiness" of the show ended with FWWM, I think it does make sense to think The Return more in relation with FWWM than with the earlier clearly episode-divided seasons. That said, I already like The Return better than FWWM. It's about as dark, but still somehow funnier at times, and is full of mystery (which is of course not so big in a prequel leading to something we already know a lot about) and weird stuff (including everything Lynch seems to have picked from his previous movies). 

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Posted : 25/06/2017 4:13 pm
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Posted by: Eric from Sweden
Posted by: Yambag021

Unfortunately, ratings rule. If this doesn't get viewers (and it isn't, compared to other showtime shows), I'm afraid we won't see a season 4, if lynch has one planned.

 

Dont shoot the messenger here, bc if lynch plans for a season 4, I wanna see it, but I have a feeling it won't happen.

There is, however, a possibility that the show gets picked up by another network, say Netflix for instance. And I'm guessing, if that happens, I doubt they will give Lynch free hands do to whatever he wants. But we haven't gotten there yet. Maybe this season takes a huge turn with episode 8 and the rest of the season is just pure gold. We'll just have to wait and see.

I think Netflix allows as much if not more freedom than network (and maybe even showtime).

 

The issue you will run into though is Netflix won't have the kind of budget that showtime has (or at least I think)...

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Posted : 25/06/2017 6:03 pm
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