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Who lives in Palmer's house, why no Audrey nor Billy in the finale, and how it reinforce the Twin Peaks manifestation dream Theory

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(@ozba)
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So after watching the finale, surprisingly (or not) not only my theory was not refuted, it was reinforced, and the clues were evident here also.

We’ll start with the fact that there was not a single mention of Audrey or Billy, cause Lynch already lay out to us what’s the deal with them as I already illustrated.

We’ll continue to the last part of episode 17, a huge amount of filming time Lynch put in front of our face the transparent face of Dale Cooper, who looks straight at us without letting go. This was not one second of looking at us as David Lynch did in his dream, these were minutes of breaking the fourth wall! And if we still didn’t understand, comes the ultimate line, already spoken by Phillip Jeffries, reinforced by Monica Bellucci, and now coming from the staring face of Agent Dale Copper: “We live inside a dream“.

And now Part 18, the finale, the part that everyone still struggling with, and I’ll show you a few points that will shed a light on where exactly Dale/Richard and Laura/Carrie actually are.

First the sign of Twin Peaks, or more accurately the missing sign of Twin Peaks. We’ve seen the sign of Odessa that Episode, aren’t we?

A real sign, from a real city, with real population of 99,940, as evident here. So why no Sign of Twin Peaks, as we’re used to throughout the series, pilot, opening credits and so on?

The only “evidence” that we’re headed to Twin Peaks is coming from Dale/Richard mouth, telling Laura/Carrie he’s taking her there.

And we’ll end with the last scene, where they come to the Palmer’s house. but is it the Palmer’s house?

No, you say, it’s the Tremond/Chalfont house, that old lady with her grandson, supposedly inhabitants of the black lodge themselves.

And I say, Lynch has pulled on us his last trick: look at the credits. Who plays Alice Tremond? Not a real actress, she's none other then Mary Reber, the real owner of the home at 708 33rd Street, Everett, the house that served as the Palmer’s house for the shooting of Twin Peaks.

“See you at the curtain call” says Dale Cooper, another clue, as this phrase refers to the moment occurring at the end of a performance when the actors return to the stage to introduce themselves (Thanks Tal A for this clue :))

Ladies and Gentlemen, the moment Dale Copper woke up in the motel, it was a different motel from the one he slept with Diane in, because that motel was in our reality.

“It‘s difficult to explain” says Richard to Carrie, and he’s right. How can he explain all of the above and that what ever strange sex ritual he had with Diane, made him wake up from our Twin Peaks manifestation dream and enter our motel, our city and our reality

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Posted : 05/09/2017 6:00 am
(@kyriakos2693)
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Pieces of your theory are very close to what i've been thinking.

He has now woken up from the dream into our world and in the terms of this theory that is the most closure that we are going to get right?

 
Posted : 05/09/2017 6:15 am
(@ozba)
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Posted by: kyriakos2693

Pieces of your theory are very close to what i've been thinking.

He has now woken up from the dream into our world and in the terms of this theory that is the most closure that we are going to get right?

Yes, IMO too, this is as good as we are gonna get

 

 
Posted : 05/09/2017 6:27 am
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Posted by: Oz Barzilay

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First the sign of Twin Peaks, or more accurately the missing sign of Twin Peaks. We’ve seen the sign of Odessa that Episode, aren’t we?

A real sign, from a real city, with real population of 99,940, as evident here. So why no Sign of Twin Peaks, as we’re used to throughout the series, pilot, opening credits and so on?

The only “evidence” that we’re headed to Twin Peaks is coming from Dale/Richard mouth, telling Laura/Carrie he’s taking her there.

The Twin Peaks sign was quickly seen in episode 17.

Population is still 51,201 25 years after...

 

 
Posted : 05/09/2017 7:03 am
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Posted by: Lucas Bracci
Posted by: Oz Barzilay

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First the sign of Twin Peaks, or more accurately the missing sign of Twin Peaks. We’ve seen the sign of Odessa that Episode, aren’t we?

A real sign, from a real city, with real population of 99,940, as evident here. So why no Sign of Twin Peaks, as we’re used to throughout the series, pilot, opening credits and so on?

The only “evidence” that we’re headed to Twin Peaks is coming from Dale/Richard mouth, telling Laura/Carrie he’s taking her there.

The Twin Peaks sign was quickly seen in episode 17.

Population is still 51,201 25 years after...

 

As you can read in my theory above "the moment Dale Copper woke up in the motel, it was a different motel from the one he slept with Diane in, because that motel was in our reality."

That's happening deep in Part 18, not 17 where they were still in TP reality.

 
Posted : 05/09/2017 7:15 am
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I think what you wrote its the most accurate of all that I read.

I asked some questions related to this earlier (but no that detailed and cohesive) in a previous post I made. I believe the motive for the aparent "no Audrey in the finale" is because of what you explained.  http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/discuss/twin-peaks-part-17-part-18/about-billy-and-all-the-girls-in-the-roadhouse/

🙂

 
Posted : 05/09/2017 7:47 am
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Really like the theory but wondering how Laura fits into both realities....also Billy is also credited as that guy in the prison who keeps repeating what everyone's saying and has a gash in his face just like the missing Billy. I had presumed this was him. Lynch has often littered his work with meta moments and even the world of Twin Peaks is littered with references to his own work but I don't think it's the only meaning or reading of Twin Peaks rather a part of it: really liked your word press though! Very detailed 

 
Posted : 05/09/2017 1:44 pm
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Or do you mean those particular characters simply have an awareness of our reality? 

 
Posted : 05/09/2017 1:45 pm
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Interesting theory, but why didn't the owner of the house refer to herself by her real name, Mary Weber, instead of a name associated with the black lodge? Why did Carrie/Laura scream while the house seemed to change into something more forboding?

 

 
Posted : 05/09/2017 1:56 pm
(@nostar)
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Also, I'm not trying to give you a hard time, but how is the Twin Peaks reality fundamentally different from our reality? In Twin Peaks reality, people drive cars made by real car manufacturers, Sarah smokes Salem cigarettes, buys a real brand of vodka etc. Why can't Monica Belluci exist in the Twin Peaks reality?

I don't doubt there's some meta stuff going on, but this seems to work as a full-fledged old-fashioned fictional story, only told in a fairly unique way.

 
Posted : 05/09/2017 2:16 pm
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Good stuff.  Lots of what you say is where I'm coming from as well.  Dreams symbolizing themes that Lynch wants to explore is what Lynch does.  I find it hard to believe that folks were thinking that the Audrey scenes were real, instead of surreal dreams.

On a side note, I'm still piecing together what I think is the major theme that is being tackled with this show.. and that is domestic violence.  Just so many scenes seem to point towards this, especially when we are shocked to see that Linda has shot her man in the head.. probably from being abused over time.  She even talks about how she tried to be a good wife when riding with Richard.  Even the often seen Garmonbozia... the pain and sorrow represents imo the suffering of women from domestic abuse.

 
Posted : 05/09/2017 2:34 pm
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Posted by: Joni Kelly

Really like the theory but wondering how Laura fits into both realities....also Billy is also credited as that guy in the prison who keeps repeating what everyone's saying and has a gash in his face just like the missing Billy. I had presumed this was him. Lynch has often littered his work with meta moments and even the world of Twin Peaks is littered with references to his own work but I don't think it's the only meaning or reading of Twin Peaks rather a part of it: really liked your word press though! Very detailed 


Laura manifests in our world as Carrie, like Dale manifested in our world as Richard.

Billy as I wrote was also a guy that his truck was stolen, but Lynch loves giving the same first name, so Billy is also Billy Zane from our world, just like Richard is the first name of Audrey and Mr C son, but also the name of Dale Cooper in our world, and so is Phillip Jerard and Philip Jeffries.

 
Posted : 05/09/2017 2:35 pm
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Posted by: Oz Barzilay
Posted by: Joni Kelly

Really like the theory but wondering how Laura fits into both realities....also Billy is also credited as that guy in the prison who keeps repeating what everyone's saying and has a gash in his face just like the missing Billy. I had presumed this was him. Lynch has often littered his work with meta moments and even the world of Twin Peaks is littered with references to his own work but I don't think it's the only meaning or reading of Twin Peaks rather a part of it: really liked your word press though! Very detailed 


Laura manifests in our world as Carrie, like Dale manifested in our world as Richard.

Billy as I wrote was also a guy that his truck was stolen, but Lynch loves giving the same first name, so Billy is also Billy Zane from our world, just like Richard is the first name of Audrey and Mr C son, but also the name of Dale Cooper in our world, and so is Phillip Jerard and Philip Jeffries.

Don't doubt there is an element of our own reality being tied in and there is certainly a meta awareness from Lynch, characters, audience....who is the dreamer etc but think this is only one element not the full picture. I'm pretty sure we could spend years writing a thesis and still not cover it all! There's also the eastern philosophical element to take into consideration and Lynch's interest in that phrase "who is the dreamer?" Isn't it an ancient Ayurvedic/Hindu text that illustrates the idea of non duality which would play into the idea of multiple realities on in which we are both creators and participants. I would see twin peaks as Lynch's Magnus Opus where he weaves parts of his own/ our reality as one understanding of the web of being through the medium of Twin Peaks. 

 
Posted : 05/09/2017 3:04 pm
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But if it's our reality, why does the dead man in Carrie's apartment appear to have a bob-type egg sticking out of his stomach. 

 
Posted : 05/09/2017 3:38 pm
(@ozba)
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Posted by: alan77ss

But if it's our reality, why does the dead man in Carrie's apartment appear to have a bob-type egg sticking out of his stomach. 

Mmm I think it's a shot in the belly and all his testicles gushing out, before she also shot him in the head 

 
Posted : 05/09/2017 3:46 pm
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