She definitely tells Cooper something he doesn't like the sound of. My theory, after watching the final, is that she says something to the effect that that they are caught a infinite time loop that they can't get out of it. Cooper only realizes this after she says it, hence the shocked look. The fact that they are back to that whispering scene in the lodge at the very end, to me means, Judy won and they are caught in an infinite loop (think Philip Jefferies symbol).
What's your theory of what Laura whispers?
Something along those lines. Possibly a warning to give up his futile quest, as I believe the Fireman told him. I think Coop may have had a chance to get back to a normal kind of existence if he'd not tried to save Laura again and again.
Or, as Briggs would probably say "Quit while you're a head".
I'll get me coat.
When did the Fireman tell him that?
Remember 4 3 0. Richard and Linda. Two birds, one stone.
A warning, not a list of things to do.
I'm convinced the Fireman was telling him to stop.
She definitely tells Cooper something he doesn't like the sound of. My theory, after watching the final, is that she says something to the effect that that they are caught a infinite time loop that they can't get out of it. Cooper only realizes this after she says it, hence the shocked look. The fact that they are back to that whispering scene in the lodge at the very end, to me means, Judy won and they are caught in an infinite loop (think Philip Jefferies symbol).
What's your theory of what Laura whispers?
Something along those lines. Possibly a warning to give up his futile quest, as I believe the Fireman told him. I think Coop may have had a chance to get back to a normal kind of existence if he'd not tried to save Laura again and again.
Or, as Briggs would probably say "Quit while you're a head".
I'll get me coat.
When did the Fireman tell him that?
Remember 4 3 0. Richard and Linda. Two birds, one stone.
A warning, not a list of things to do.
I'm convinced the Fireman was telling him to stop.
Not sure that lines up with his other actions.
How about that she whispers the very title of the final episode: "You can never go back home again." It works both literally (for her, for them both probably) and metaphorically. Or maybe more succinctly, I think she was saying "I must die." I think maybe the one question Cooper wasn't willing to ask himself was: "Even if I can go back to that moment in the woods and alter Laura's path, should I do it?" I am of the belief that the answer is pretty clearly: No.
I mean, as tragic as it was, and all the evil things that followed, just moments before Cooper stepped into that door he'd helped vanquish BOB, seemingly forever. At the very least, BOB was no longer a whole entity in any sense, and had been shattered into tiny fragmented bits. BOB had been in possession of Leland for many years, and then had free reign as Mr. C for many years after. All through the season we saw that he was not going to "go back" in any sense, and anyone who got in the way of that met a very unfortunate end.
And even when shot point blank BOB had quite a bit of otherworldly help to stay in our world! Whatever "he" or it was, he was not an easy thing to fight, or get back to where he came from. And yet, by virtue of a confluence of events and efforts, he was done in. If not forever then as a seriously weakened entity.
Yet...if Cooper "saved" Laura it stands to reason that not only would BOB keep inhabiting Leland, keep molesting and torturing his daughter, he'd likely murder her at some point later anyway. Or worse, become her. Laura had been the only one close to BOB who was able to (mostly) resist him, and not give into be taken over by him. Her death in fact triggered BOB's eventual demise. Maybe that was her very purpose, right? Laura was "birthed" as a soul or a spirit in response to BOB's creation by Judy. Leading her away from the train car would lead her away from her soul's very purpose. To me, that is what we see in the very sad alternate timeline: Not only was she not better off, no one else was either.
She definitely tells Cooper something he doesn't like the sound of. My theory, after watching the final, is that she says something to the effect that that they are caught a infinite time loop that they can't get out of it. Cooper only realizes this after she says it, hence the shocked look. The fact that they are back to that whispering scene in the lodge at the very end, to me means, Judy won and they are caught in an infinite loop (think Philip Jefferies symbol).
What's your theory of what Laura whispers?
Something along those lines. Possibly a warning to give up his futile quest, as I believe the Fireman told him. I think Coop may have had a chance to get back to a normal kind of existence if he'd not tried to save Laura again and again.
Or, as Briggs would probably say "Quit while you're a head".
I'll get me coat.
When did the Fireman tell him that?
Remember 4 3 0. Richard and Linda. Two birds, one stone.
A warning, not a list of things to do.
I'm convinced the Fireman was telling him to stop.
Let me preface by saying I know nothing, I just speculate and babble:
Remember that those words are echoed in Cooper's message to Gordon: "If I get lost, try to find me ...I'm trying to kill two birds with one stone." Not sure if that is exact.
I think that's important.
Whether or not the Fireman was warning or informing Cooper in the encounter, let's put that aside for a moment and focus on that parallel.
If keeping Cooper's identity intact across "worlds" or "dreams" is somehow important to the task of finding and stopping Judy, then maybe the whole Diane/Coop encounter in episode 18 was geared toward Cooper remembering who he is after he wakes up in Odessa. Maybe without the events of episode 17 in TP, that would not have been possible. Maybe he would have just continued as "Richard," who has no memory of Agent Cooper's life. Knowing Diane and NAMING her in the motel seems important, and the way he kept studying her face as if he is going to mark this encounter forever as some kind of unforgettable scene. Diane forgets, he does not.
The question I have is when did Laura whisper in his ear.
Was it at the end of his life, after the events of whatever happens once he crossed 430? Or was it before he decides to set off? If it was the latter, he's going to do what he does when he meets Laura/Paige as a result of what Laura says.
Therefore, whatever happens when he meets Paige should come as no surprise, given that she whispered something he didn't want to hear.
She definitely tells Cooper something he doesn't like the sound of. My theory, after watching the final, is that she says something to the effect that that they are caught a infinite time loop that they can't get out of it. Cooper only realizes this after she says it, hence the shocked look. The fact that they are back to that whispering scene in the lodge at the very end, to me means, Judy won and they are caught in an infinite loop (think Philip Jefferies symbol).
What's your theory of what Laura whispers?
Something along those lines. Possibly a warning to give up his futile quest, as I believe the Fireman told him. I think Coop may have had a chance to get back to a normal kind of existence if he'd not tried to save Laura again and again.
Or, as Briggs would probably say "Quit while you're a head".
I'll get me coat.
When did the Fireman tell him that?
Remember 4 3 0. Richard and Linda. Two birds, one stone.
A warning, not a list of things to do.
I'm convinced the Fireman was telling him to stop.
Not sure that lines up with his other actions.
I think it does. The Fireman is a benign entity, or appears to be. He's seen to be something to do with Laura Palmer, and Laura herself may be an influence for good, or at least, a sacrificial anode for the evil in the world.
Cooper, by trying to save Laura, removes the necessary balance which causes more evil to leak out, and eventually changes reality to the one where he's no longer Dale Cooper.
Most of the other stuff that happened in between Cooper's meeting the Fireman and the end of the series can slot into the idea of things going very badly wrong, despite everyone's attempts to put them right. Mike and the Arm, for example, wanted Mr C and Bob back with them because they weren't playing by the rules, either. Cooper was as much of a liability to the good guys as Mr C and Bob were to the bad guys.
The final episode illustrated just how far wrong everything had become. Cooper didn't even notice the gun he used was the wrong one, let alone the different car.
I'm not wedded to this theory, btw, but so far it's the only one that's made complete sense to me. If you accept Lynch - and possibly Frost - is obsessive about detail, you cannot put the discontinuities down to sloppy editing or general mistakes.
Another possibility she whispered: "Where is the bathroom in this place? We been stuck in here 25 years. I'm prairie dogging it!"
After having worked over the audio of that scene in June, and getting no answers, I now suspect it's an interlinking mechanism DL left for himself if another season comes down the pike-much like the "I'll see you again in 25 years" device. That doesn't mean I think there will be another season.
I figure it went something like this.
"so, umm, ya know how you are getting outta here real soon... and, uhhh, ya know how your evil twin has been out there for the last 25 years..
(pause... )
well, he dropped a big deuce on your world..
and.. check it... he did your girl Audrey dirty.. whoa Coop! Don't kill the messenger..There's more.."
All I can make out when listening to the isolated recording (on Soundcloud), is the word 'darkness,' but may very well be mistaken even with that one word lol. However, I like your interpretation here. Quite a lot actually.
The question I have is when did Laura whisper in his ear.
Was it at the end of his life, after the events of whatever happens once he crossed 430? Or was it before he decides to set off? If it was the latter, he's going to do what he does when he meets Laura/Paige as a result of what Laura says.
Therefore, whatever happens when he meets Paige should come as no surprise, given that she whispered something he didn't want to hear.
When is the big question, you're right. Time is so totally warped in the Black Lodge and in Twin Peaks. It's hard to tell when it's future, when it's past, and when it's after midnight.
What did she whisper to Cooper? I'm pretty sure it was "I'm not wearing any panties". If you look closely there are no lines.
She definitely tells Cooper something he doesn't like the sound of. My theory, after watching the final, is that she says something to the effect that that they are caught a infinite time loop that they can't get out of it. Cooper only realizes this after she says it, hence the shocked look. The fact that they are back to that whispering scene in the lodge at the very end, to me means, Judy won and they are caught in an infinite loop (think Philip Jefferies symbol).
What's your theory of what Laura whispers?
Something along those lines. Possibly a warning to give up his futile quest, as I believe the Fireman told him. I think Coop may have had a chance to get back to a normal kind of existence if he'd not tried to save Laura again and again.
Or, as Briggs would probably say "Quit while you're a head".
I'll get me coat.
When did the Fireman tell him that?
Remember 4 3 0. Richard and Linda. Two birds, one stone.
A warning, not a list of things to do.
I'm convinced the Fireman was telling him to stop.
Maybe the Fireman should have said "Stop, dumbass." Lol.
The number of critically important unsaid things in the show is kind of hilarious.
After having worked over the audio of that scene in June, and getting no answers, I now suspect it's an interlinking mechanism DL left for himself if another season comes down the pike-much like the "I'll see you again in 25 years" device. That doesn't mean I think there will be another season.
Yes. That's how they try to leave themselves future wiggle room, by dropping tons of ambiguities all over the place. Some of which get revisited, and some of which are rabbit holed.
What did she say? "My dad sells Avon". No wonder Cooper looked horrified.
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