Sorry, than i misunderstood 😉
I can't answer your questions, I believe the theorie of the video i posted, it feels good for me. I haven't seen serie 3 with this in my mind but the slogans: it's happening again (and again and again) and Whe all live inside of a dream are important i think. Succes with your questions Renata, i hope you will find the answers 😉
The dream theory isn't a theory. Cooper explicitly says it: "We live inside a dream," then the scene fades away and a new scene appears, just like often happens in dreams. That doesn't make anything unreal, it just sets the location of that reality in someone's mind. Thoughts/dreams create reality.
But question is who is the dreamer ? 🙂 Ok we can simply say Copper dreamed all season 3, he is sitting on the chair in last ep season 2. But this doesn't mean that this is only one theory about dreamer. I don't feel like this youtube film answered evything and there is no space to other theory.
Nah, I don't buy all the dream/delusion/alternate theories.
I believe what we saw is what happened, in the base level Twin Peaks reality. Someone or something altered reality itself when Cooper attempted to save Laura. The evidence that they had been doing this for some time is scattered throughout the entire series 3 episodes.
Maybe it was a ripple effect from Cooper's attempt to save Laura, maybe it was Judy, trying to make things go her way, but what we saw is what really happened.
Can you elaborate on the "evidence?"
Am not challenging you. Quite the contrary. I am, much like Kyle MacLachlan, still trying to process what happened, so any clues that I've missed would be greatly appreciated!
All the discontinuities, odd happenings such as doorknobs wandering around the door, Diane's bracelets moving around, Cars changing, plane windows flickering, random coloured lights in various scenes...
Everyone has their theory but this one works the best for me.
I don't say it's THE answer, i'm only find it the best at this moment..
Hi Eric,
Very interesting. Thanks for posting this.
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I believe what we saw is what happened, in the base level Twin Peaks reality. Someone or something altered reality itself when Cooper attempted to save Laura. The evidence that they had been doing this for some time is scattered throughout the entire series 3 episodes.
Maybe it was a ripple effect from Cooper's attempt to save Laura, maybe it was Judy, trying to make things go her way, but what we saw is what really happened.
Hi Sam,
But why would a failed attempt to rescue Laura result in an altered reality?
In the Twin Peaks reality we were first introduced to 25 years ago, Laura died. Then, 25 years later, the 25-year-older Cooper went back in time and tried to save her.
But he failed. Judy ripped Laura literally right out of his hand, to the background music of frog-moths chittering. Laura still died that night, as if the newly-released-from-the-Black-Lodge Cooper had never even been there.
I could easily see reality reshaped if he had succeeded, but why would it change after Coop screwed the pooch?
Riddle me this! 😉
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It's an interesting idea but I still think people are misinterpreting the statement "We live inside a dream" made by both Cooper and Jeffries. Both are talking of what it is like to be in the Black Lodge. They see the real Twin Peaks world through dreaming. To them our world is a a dream. The same can be said for how the real people in Twin Peaks with regard to those in the Lodges. They see the people in the lodge through dreams.
As far as the video in the Red room scenes. They are similar but they also play in reverse. It is an indication Cooper has gone back in time. In one part of those scenes Cooper encounters Leland who tells him to "Find Laura" and Cooper enters from the left. When the scene occurs again later Cooper enters from the right. The directions are reversed. This is also why Mike keeps asking Cooper if it's the future or the past.
I believe what we saw is what happened, in the base level Twin Peaks reality. Someone or something altered reality itself when Cooper attempted to save Laura. The evidence that they had been doing this for some time is scattered throughout the entire series 3 episodes.
Maybe it was a ripple effect from Cooper's attempt to save Laura, maybe it was Judy, trying to make things go her way, but what we saw is what really happened.
Hi Sam,
But why would a failed attempt to rescue Laura result in an altered reality?
In the Twin Peaks reality we were first introduced to 25 years ago, Laura died. Then, 25 years later, the 25-year-older Cooper went back in time and tried to save her.
But he failed. Judy ripped Laura literally right out of his hand, to the background music of frog-moths chittering. Laura still died that night, as if the newly-released-from-the-Black-Lodge Cooper had never even been there.
I could easily see reality reshaped if he had succeeded, but why would it change after Coop screwed the pooch?
Riddle me this! 😉
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Cooper did succeed in saving Laura. but he failed to get her home. Judy has taken her to another dimension/universe. Judy doesn't return her to her death in the past because Cooper is already there and can take her again.
I believe what we saw is what happened, in the base level Twin Peaks reality. Someone or something altered reality itself when Cooper attempted to save Laura. The evidence that they had been doing this for some time is scattered throughout the entire series 3 episodes.
Maybe it was a ripple effect from Cooper's attempt to save Laura, maybe it was Judy, trying to make things go her way, but what we saw is what really happened.
Hi Sam,
But why would a failed attempt to rescue Laura result in an altered reality?
In the Twin Peaks reality we were first introduced to 25 years ago, Laura died. Then, 25 years later, the 25-year-older Cooper went back in time and tried to save her.
But he failed. Judy ripped Laura literally right out of his hand, to the background music of frog-moths chittering. Laura still died that night, as if the newly-released-from-the-Black-Lodge Cooper had never even been there.
I could easily see reality reshaped if he had succeeded, but why would it change after Coop screwed the pooch?
Riddle me this! 😉
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Because he shouldn't be there. Or, alternately, this is the way reality goes, regardless.
I did say earlier, that maybe Mother/Judy was manipulating reality anyhow. It's possible it was always going to be this way and Cooper is always destined to fail and to lose track of who and where he is.
I did also think of another interpretation of the Fireman's talk with Coop, that it wasn't a warning to stay away, but a warning to keep track of who he is. I get the feeling, from the way the Fireman spoke, that it wasn't the first time Cooper attempted to save Laura.
Why not? What sence does it make that the Mitchum brothers and the 3 girls go with Cooper go to twin peaks and bring sandwitches. They do nothing, say almost nothing and he leaves them in the policestation? Naido turns into Diana and no one is surprised? A drunk man in prison no one carres about while he's bleeding? Looks more than a dream to me than reality 😉
Exactly! ... these among a million other things. Lynch kept telling us over and over about dreams. When I go back and re-watch all episodes again, I hope to find some scenes that mayke more sense of reality. But it's clear to me that like the ending of Mulholland Drive, the final sequence once Richard (who is still confusing reality with dream, who still is confusing himself with Dale) leaves the motel that then we are seeing what is actually happening. Maybe when the Fireman says it's happening again.. what he really means is that Richard is in his dream-state yet once again....
I don't think Coop ever left the Black Lodge when EvilCooper escaped. I think Laura whispers to him that this has all been a dream and that he can't leave (yet.)
Cooper needs to learn to first deal with Judy and after that he can relaxed chasing all those hot chicks. That's good for his health and maybe also for the timeline 😉
Oh Damn! This is great!!! This is the absolute key!! I was thinking a bit about Bardos when it came to Dougie but just didn't know enough to be able to expand that to this kind of interpretation.
To see The Return as a series of bardos Cooper must pass through until he learns to let go of the passions and desires that lead him back into the cycle is brilliant. Because he is improperly prepared, he is drawn towards a bad birth (Richard)
Everyone has their theory but this one works the best for me.
I don't say it's THE answer, i'm only find it the best at this moment..
Really like this take!
You got it. Tough pill to swallow, but it's the truth. I found this to also be true via something I found on YouTube which agrees with you exactly.
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