I thoroughly enjoyed Part 17. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time from start to finished. Loved all of it.
The problem is, that left Part 18 with a lot to live up to, and it didn't. Sorry, it just didn't, in my opinion. Part 17 kicked Part 18 in the balls, pushed it into the mud, and screamed into its face.
The difference between how I felt at the end of Part 17 and at the end of Part 18 were so different. At the end of Part 17 I felt all pumped up and excited. At the end of Part 18 I felt disappointed.
I understand it's art. I get that. I understand Lynch did things his way, and it's wonderful he had the opportunity to do exactly what he wanted to do. But personally, I don't think I want a season 4. I'm not even sure whether I want to hang around much here to discuss it. I think I'm done.
It was interesting to watch, but life's too short, got other things to do, sorry...
I thoroughly enjoyed Part 17...The problem is, that left Part 18 with a lot to live up to, and it didn't. .
I would bet that everyone here would know what you mean, though many would disagree with your quality assessment of the two episodes. Ep. 17 was the most straightforward episode, most conventional (in an unconventional way of course!) and filled in a lot of blanks - Satisfying on some levels. Then ep. 18 was Lynch at his most dense. The classic sloooooow Lynchian pacing, and unfolding unlike anyone would be able to predict. Ep. 17 fit your taste in TV shows much better than ep. 18, for not difficult to understand reasons.
This is probably a bit snobby, but I just saw somewhere on the forum that ep. 17 was to please the general audience and ep. 18 was to please Lynch fans. - There really is something in that.
Something clicked for me earlier today about this.
Part 17 was the ending Lynch and Frost *had* to write. Things are 'solved'.
Part 18 was the ending Lynch and Frost wanted to write. Greater mysteries are revealed.
A commentary on what went down in season 2, perhaps?
Something clicked for me earlier today about this.
Part 17 was the ending Lynch and Frost *had* to write. Things are 'solved'.
Part 18 was the ending Lynch and Frost wanted to write. Greater mysteries are revealed.
A commentary on what went down in season 2, perhaps?
Part 17 leads to part 18 necessarily, with part 18 being the underside that Agent Cooper was trying to cover up with his 'factual' solution of just trying to 'erase' everything, nonetheless all the pain, crushed dreams, etc., still bubbling right under the surface, while the 'world of truck drivers' continues on unchallenged, uncovered, even in Twin Peaks...this is why Cooper had to appropriate Judy, go into her diner, attempt at the problem again, no hiding that horror....
I respect everyone's personal experience with 17 and 18, regardless of if I agree or not. My experience was somewhat the opposite....if 17 had been the end, I would have been somewhat let down...a character with a magic glove ending evil would not have done it for me. But, in the context of 18 I was fine with that. Having watched both again today, I am even more pleased and awed with the final 2 hours. As I wrote in another post - this was Maximum Lynch and I loved it all. Can I explain it all? Hell no - but that's fine for me..I take it on a macro level as good and evil in an eternal, infinite play with heroes and villains and victims throughout time.
I'm just saying purely about how I felt, putting reasoning and logic to one side. I'm not saying Part 17 was perfect, and I probably wouldn't have wanted it to end like that. It's more a case of me thinking after Part 17: "Wow, if that was Part 17, I'm really pumped up for what Part 18 is going to be like." Then I watched Part 18 and I was like "Oh..."
That was just how I felt, regardless of any logical reasoning for or against the episodes. Just being honest about how the episodes made me feel.
It's like if you're in a relationship with someone, it's about how you feel, and you can't fake or change that. You can analyse things logically and come up with reasons for and against staying with a person, but at the end of the day it's just about how you feel, and you can't really do anything about that.
After a second viewing I have the opposite take. 17 was too easy and awkwardly neat - especially the random character (in the grand scope of the show) with a green glove who is the one to defeat BOB. 18 was epic Lynch, defying and reversing expectation, revealing an ending no one saw coming but which makes more and more sense as clues are put together. Still a crazy mindfuck of a cliffhanger but it worked for me on second viewing even better.
I'm just saying purely about how I felt, putting reasoning and logic to one side. I'm not saying Part 17 was perfect, and I probably wouldn't have wanted it to end like that. It's more a case of me thinking after Part 17: "Wow, if that was Part 17, I'm really pumped up for what Part 18 is going to be like." Then I watched Part 18 and I was like "Oh..."
That was just how I felt, regardless of any logical reasoning for or against the episodes. Just being honest about how the episodes made me feel.
It's like if you're in a relationship with someone, it's about how you feel, and you can't fake or change that. You can analyse things logically and come up with reasons for and against staying with a person, but at the end of the day it's just about how you feel, and you can't really do anything about that.
I think many of us felt that way. I know I did, at first. Part 18 is anticlimactic. Once I began to accept it on its own terms, I stopped glancing at the clock to see how much time was left and I enjoyed it more. I especially enjoyed it during a second viewing.
Have you rewatched part 18 yet?
Ha, oh boy was I worried when everything I expected to go down in 18 went down in 17. I knew we were in for a roller coaster drop. I had no idea how much of one of course, that surpassed my expectations. It's still a gut punch and that is the truth. You can't love Cooper and all your other favorite Twin Peaks characters and not feel that.
But I think just before this aired I read that originally the season 2 finale also had a two part two hour show like this. (I first watched the first two seasons on a dvd box set) If I'm wrong about that please correct me. And thinking about how that was, the crazy Miss Twin Peaks pageant climax, Annie kidnapped, Audrey blown up in the first hour and the indecipherable insanity of the black lodge with the horrible Bob/Cooper ending in the second... well as soon as they offed Mr. C in the first hour this time I was prepared for our updated equivalent of the black lodge ending. Still a gut punch, to be sure. But Twin Peaks survives because of questions, not answers.
Something clicked for me earlier today about this.
Part 17 was the ending Lynch and Frost *had* to write. Things are 'solved'.
Part 18 was the ending Lynch and Frost wanted to write. Greater mysteries are revealed.
A commentary on what went down in season 2, perhaps?
But it wasn't solved, Coop could not undo Laura's fate to die in order to stop Bob using her body. Coop goes back into the BL and understands more, and is able to leave the way he originally was going to before the Arm's doppelganger stopped him.
Again for me I really enjoyed both 17 and 18 but was left wanting more, I felt incomplete... Audrey Horne being one of the biggest, what was all that about in the first few episodes in New York??? Bill Hastings?? What happened to Sarah palmer , why did Leland say find Laura ??? What about Chester??? What about his colege in FWWM??? What about the frogmoth girl??? So many things were presented to us in a way that they were vitally important to this strange story/dream....were they not??? Even if characters are dreamlike we still care about them , we still want to know what happened to them. I think all would be forgiven if a season 4 was a definite , at this point we need a statement from the instigator himself. I need David lynch to make some clear statement reassuring us that there was always more intended to come or to say that's it folks it is what it is . Audrey still is in a coma and Sarah's behaviour is merely exploration of severe mental illness... just something I feel is needed at this point.
I think all would be forgiven if a season 4 was a definite , at this point we need a statement from the instigator himself. I need David lynch to make some clear statement reassuring us that there was always more intended to come or to say that's it folks it is what it is .
Hi Pete,
Don't think this is going to happen.
Besides, didn't Mr. C teach us the difference between need and want?
Just kidding. 😉
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But I think just before this aired I read that originally the season 2 finale also had a two part two hour show like this.
Hi Christen,
Yes, just as the first time we saw Mr. C was in a ("Hows Annie") mirror and the last time we saw Audrey was in a ("I'm ready for my close-up, Mr DeMille") mirror, the ending of Season 3 was a mirror of the ending of Season 2 - at a distance of 25 years.
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you first have to understand the show to pull a judgement...apart from wrestling references.
But personally, I don't think I want a season 4. I'm not even sure whether I want to hang around much here to discuss it. I think I'm done.
High, sky,
Sorry to hear that.
Of course, you do know we can see if you're ever lurking in here! 😉
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