Nonsensical Phillip Jeffries and a crazy Timeline theory.  

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Posted by: SomethingVague

What if Mike feeds on trapping people in the lodge for an infinite amount of time? Instead of killing and raping like Bob, he's getting his kicks outta imprisonment? The look on his face when he greets Cooper... the horror he experiences when Jeffries is actually helping him potentially succeed... an infinite attempts to fix time and Cooper becomes something weird we've seen out the corner of our eye. 

Well, Mike did want all his Garmonbozia back. So this is entirely possible.

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Posted : 04/09/2017 5:23 pm
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Also, what if the Cooper we see in episode 18 is a Cooper who is weary, a Cooper who is getting fed up of fixing this time, a Cooper who is out of character and knows the early routine like the back of his hand? Its a billion year torture chamber, RE: Dr. Who. 

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Posted : 04/09/2017 5:32 pm
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Cooper waking up from the Dougie Coma was his first time. He was enthused. They had a plan! It was all going to work! It's going great! It's... oh... no... oh dear god... what?! 

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Posted : 04/09/2017 5:34 pm
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Posted by: SomethingVague

Cooper waking up from the Dougie Coma was his first time. He was enthused. They had a plan! It was all going to work! It's going great! It's... oh... no... oh dear god... what?! 

My sentiments almost exactly.

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Posted : 04/09/2017 5:35 pm
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I think that's as good an idea as we'll ever get.  Maybe there's an infinite number of Coopers leading an infinite number of Lauras through the woods.

Something weird we see out of the corner of our eye?  That's a good one, too.  And, from yet another Philip K Dick story, A Scanner Darkly, an FBI agent who wears a scramble suit so he can't be identified.  Now, that story is a full blown raving paranoid nightmare.  Lots of fun.

The more I think about it, the more I think Frost and Lynch mainlined PKD when writing this series.  And Kafka, obviously.

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum

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Posted : 04/09/2017 5:53 pm
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Posted by: SamXTherapy

I think that's as good an idea as we'll ever get.  Maybe there's an infinite number of Coopers leading an infinite number of Lauras through the woods.

Something weird we see out of the corner of our eye?  That's a good one, too.  And, from yet another Philip K Dick story, A Scanner Darkly, an FBI agent who wears a scramble suit so he can't be identified.  Now, that story is a full blown raving paranoid nightmare.  Lots of fun.

The more I think about it, the more I think Frost and Lynch mainlined PKD when writing this series.  And Kafka, obviously.

Part 18 felt like reading the Trial. It was horrible yet stunning. I'll be sure to check out these books! 

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Posted : 04/09/2017 5:58 pm
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Posted by: SomethingVague

Also, what if the Cooper we see in episode 18 is a Cooper who is weary, a Cooper who is getting fed up of fixing this time, a Cooper who is out of character and knows the early routine like the back of his hand? Its a billion year torture chamber, RE: Dr. Who. 

That's what I was thinking about - along with a quote from Stephen Jay Gould about rich bursts of evolution (the Burgess Shale) and how some forms persisted & some died out just by chance (and not through any great fitness or selection)
If time was run again, the end results would have led to a very different scenario now.

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Posted : 04/09/2017 6:07 pm
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Oh, the Doctor Who vibe was there for me from the time Cooper landed in the house with Naido.  Then, seeing the Fireman in Episode 8, in the great big castle thingy in the same purple sea.  Just like the prison where the Doctor got locked in his own Confession Dial.

Not enough Daleks for my liking, though.  Maybe if they do a Series 4.  But please, not the 2010 redesign, those horrible New Paradigm things.

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum

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Posted : 04/09/2017 6:15 pm
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When Cooper said "Phillip?" and the kettle asked him to be more specific, my first thought was whether the reference was to Gerard or Jeffries.

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Posted : 04/09/2017 7:13 pm
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3."He'll remember the unofficial version"
Jeffries might have meant that the version of Jeffries who Cole last saw was the unofficial version of him, i.e. a tulpa or doppelgänger.

4. "This is where you'll find Judy"
The symbol (before it is transformed into the 8/infinity) bears a certain resemblance to the top of the electricity pylons at the end of the 430 mile journey.

5 "There may be, someone. Did you, ask me this?"
Remember Jeffries first line when they entered: "Please, be specific." This has a resonance with trance channelling sessions, in which the entity being channelled will often only answer specifc questions that are asked of it, and will not provide additional information unless a specific and direct question has been asked.
Jeffries appears to begin to offer what may be important additional information to Cooper, then stops and says: "Did you, ask me this?"

Take this as an example: "Queries are in order in your projections of mind distortion at this time/space. Thusly would I assure this group that my own social memory complex has one particular method of communicating with those few who may be able to harmonize their distortions with ours, and that is to respond to queries for information. We are comfortable with this format. May the queries now begin."
Source: http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=2

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Posted : 04/09/2017 7:49 pm
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#8 - fork bacon penguin spear planet carpet

also splice pickle finger catapult. 

 

 

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Posted : 04/09/2017 9:34 pm
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Posted by: Lynn Watson

I wasn't sure if Jeffries' comments were relevant or he had just taken on the persona of sleepy dormouse... 

Hi Lynn,

"This is the life!"  😉

- /< /\ /> -

That's strange - even for Cooper

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Posted : 04/09/2017 10:44 pm
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Posted by: SomethingVague
Posted by: SamXTherapy

I think that's as good an idea as we'll ever get.  Maybe there's an infinite number of Coopers leading an infinite number of Lauras through the woods.

Something weird we see out of the corner of our eye?  That's a good one, too.  And, from yet another Philip K Dick story, A Scanner Darkly, an FBI agent who wears a scramble suit so he can't be identified.  Now, that story is a full blown raving paranoid nightmare.  Lots of fun.

The more I think about it, the more I think Frost and Lynch mainlined PKD when writing this series.  And Kafka, obviously.

Part 18 felt like reading the Trial. It was horrible yet stunning. I'll be sure to check out these books! 

Hi Vague,

And while you're checking out his books and stories, check a little into Philip K. Dick himself.  =:-O

Fascinating.

😉

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That's strange - even for Cooper

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Posted : 04/09/2017 10:55 pm
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Posted by: SamXTherapy
Posted by: Lynn Watson

I wasn't sure if Jeffries' comments were relevant or he had just taken on the persona of sleepy dormouse... 

Or the stoned caterpillar in Alice.

Hi Sam,

(annnd, of course, with apologies to Jefferson Airplane)

One pill makes you larger, and one pill makes you small
And the ones that mother gives you, don't do anything at all

Go ask Alice, when she's ten feet tall

And if you go chasing rabbits, and you know you're going to fall
Tell 'em a hookah-smoking caterpillar has given you the call

And call Alice, when she was just small

When the men on the chessboard get up and tell you where to go
And you've just had some kind of mushroom, and your mind is moving low

Go ask Alice, I think she'll know

When logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead
And the white knight is talking backwards
And the red queen's off with her head
Remember what the dormouse said
Feed your head, feed your head

😉

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That's strange - even for Cooper

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Posted : 04/09/2017 10:59 pm
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Posted by: PhilR87

1 - time is slippery.
2 - I take that as literal, Phillip is stuck there forever. Coop isn't (yet).
3 - yeah, official and unofficial timelines.
4 - Judy is still at Sarah's house. This I've learned elsewhere online - the kettle steams out the number of Sarah's house (708?)

I'm less sure about the last two. This is a great theory which suggests Dale is basically doomed to be the new Jefferies:

[S3E18] Bill Hastings Site Holds The Key from twinpeaks

Imagine Frost/Lynch mapping all of this out linearly and then dissociating it, parsing it, with excruciating detail and inherent fuzziness/muting. What kind of brains...?

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Posted : 04/09/2017 11:05 pm
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