So at some point Cooper after Bob disappeared and when he saw Naido/Diane there are some moments that Coop's face is in the background of the scene while the scene continues.. what's the meaning of that? Any ideas?
The obvious one that initially concerned me was that this was all just a dream of Coopers. Now, I am leaning back and waiting for someone else to come up with an idea that fits with the pieces I'm trying to put together. It is one element I can't make fit.
This is his dream? He is the Dreamer of this story?
I think it's quite possible that this resolution of the BOB tale is Cooper's own dream. But that might be oversimplification. What happens after in episode 18 is not Cooper's dream but someone else's.
The cosmos seems to be an intersections of many dreams both big and small, and it seems that there are many Dreamers.
While I first watched it, I thought it showed he was "dreaming" (not REM dreaming but something deeper). Then I thought maybe it's a vision he's having from the red room. Then I thought that I'm not sure about anything.
Cooper is still in the Red Room, watching all this action unfold. When he leaves the red curtain and meets Diane is when he trully leaves the Room.
He then travels with Diane to another dimension where judy stole Laura from him when he changed the events on FWWM and put her there. In this evil dimension, it messes with peoples minds, and Diane thinks she's Linda, Laura thhinks she's Carrie and Cooper is changed, but still recalls he's Cooper since Fireman told him to remember. When Cooper tried to save Laura in the FWWM black and white scene he was trying to get her home, her Home is actually the White Lodge. In this dimension Cooper as he's not fully himself knows he needs to take Laura home, but he thinks it's Laura's home at Twin Peaks. But this has always been a vessel for evil and it's inhabited now by the lodge lady, under other face but with the same name.
When Cooper asks Laura what year is this, she somehow remembers when her mum used to call her, and she remembers and screams. The house itself a vessel from the lodge flashes and goes dark, like an evil that's been found.
What happens from there it's anyone's guess. But i don't really think Cooper is dreaming anything.
It means soon he can go Netflix and chill with Senorita Dido and Major Briggs floating head in the Fireman's theatre! ?
On a more serious note, I have been wondering about that too. Especially when the floating head said "the dream inside the dream" or whatever that quote is. It implies that this sequence is Cooper's dream somehow, or he is somewhere watching the scene unfold. It could mean anything really.
It was also a nice throwback to Jack Nance's floating head in Eraserhead.
This is his dream? He is the Dreamer of this story?
I think it's quite possible that this resolution of the BOB tale is Cooper's own dream. But that might be oversimplification. What happens after in episode 18 is not Cooper's dream but someone else's.
The cosmos seems to be an intersections of many dreams both big and small, and it seems that there are many Dreamers.
Yeah... that's pretty much the definition of a tulpa. This show is filled with a mix of both reality and dreams/visions. The imaging of Cooper's (or rather Richard's) face on the scene in the sheriff's dept is the for sure a clue that Richard is imagining/dreaming these happenings. And when we find out (and he is still very confused and bewildered) that Cooper is really imagined by Richard, the writing is on the wall. It seems to me that Richard had an affair with Linda (the imagined Diane) that went really bad emotionally for him. With all the domestic violence references in the show, maybe he abused her and that is why she said that she doesn't really know him... that he seems like someone else.
It was also a nice throwback to Jack Nance's floating head in Eraserhead.
Yeah... and it was also nice to see that the episode was in memory of Jack Nance at the end credits.
Cooper is still in the Red Room, watching all this action unfold. When he leaves the red curtain and meets Diane is when he trully leaves the Room.
So which Coop is in the Sherrif station? It pretty much looks to me thats the real Coop! Maybe he wants to have this memories stuck in his head (memories of good people) when he is gonna try and save Laura because as he says to Diane in the car a lot of things will change in that new altrenative dimension.. I dont know really..
Lynch shows us who is a dreamer. It's end of story and we got answer for question that Gordon Cole mention.
My only real conviction is that Coop experiences this sequence more than once, from different vantage points. Separate timelines he's experienced are intersecting at this point. The idea that one version of him is watching from the Red Room is compelling. The superimposed image of him is very still and grim-faced, as if he's either in some trance - like the way he appears in the Red Room - or this is a version of him who knows how this plays out and he's watching with great foreboding. Maybe both.
Despite what the floating Coop-face says about dreams, I'm not convinced that the events of this scene are a dream - or at least not his dream. If there's some meta-dreamer who dreamed the entire season, all bets are off. But within the context of Twin Peaks: The Return, I think this scene really happened in the real Twin Peaks Sheriff Station with the Mitchum brothers and Lucy and everybody else. So my jury is still out on what floating Coop-face meant about dreams.
For my own enjoyment of the series, I want everything to be "real." I don't want anything to be a collection of thoughts inside someone's head. There are alternate realities equally real. And we've seen some of them. I think the showdown at the sheriff's station happened in the usual reality. Cooper was there but he was also in the lodge watching it unfold. Because lodge. The clock going backwards was because there was a lodge presence there.
I'm not saying this is what Lynch/Frost wanted. It's just the best way for me to enjoy everything. And I think it's plausible.
The clock going backwards was because there was a lodge presence there.
This could be way off (hell, so could everything), but my immediate thought on the clock was that it looks like when when you first put on a pair of glasses - or, heh, binoculars - and you see double for a few seconds while your two eyes adjust and refocus to give you a unified field of vision.
Except maybe instead of two eyes, it's two Coopers experiencing the same scene and struggling to align their two perspectives as they watch from different timelines that are sort of stutter-stepping into sync.
Well Coop says exactly "we live inside a dream". He doesn't look like dumb or something. It is still our clever Cooper. He is clever as Mr C. or as Dale, he always is. He is watching what's going on and his conclusion is as it is "we live inside a dream". It is his interpretation what is he seeing. Voice is strange as is comming from somewhere else to dream world. If you have a lucid dream, a sounds from real world sounds weird. I experienced that a lot of times myself.
i took it as Richard dreaming/remembering what happened to this different iteration of Cooper. It doesn't mean the version we saw was just dream, if you buy into the parallel dimension idea...
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