I've recently been rewatching the original series and just finished the episode where BOB leaves Leland. Watching it again, one thing strikes me about Bob in the revival. How come Bob doesn't act like Bob anymore? In the original series, Bob was very maniacal-- always laughing, cutting up, acting delighted in his evil pursuits. BOB in dales doppelgänger is so much more chill. Not that Kyle McLaughlin isn't a great actor, but I do think Mr. C comes across as a bit monotone and one note. He didn't even seem to delight in punching that guys lights out! Now I know there is some debate that BOB left mr. C in episode 8 but he was super bland even before that.
One thought I had was that the difference is due to the fact that he was merged with a different personality. Like, Leland was gay and festive and into musical theater so maybe that's why Bob was so melodramatic in him. Then that raises the debate about how much control the possessed individual has over his actions. Also, if that was the case, wouldn't Mr. C with BOB act a little more like Dale Cooper?
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I think it can be basically attributed to the fact that Frank Silva is dead. There is simply no way to recast such a visually unique and powerfully evocative, yet terrifying character in a believable way.
His subtle and brief appearances also remove any assurance that one might have that he is or isn't still with Mr C, so keeping the mystery alive probably plays a roll in it as well.
I've no doubt that things would've played out differently if Frank were alive.
I get the impression Bob is just along for the ride, Mr C is in the driving seat here. That was, I believe, made clear when Mr C was locked up in Yankton, when he said "I'm glad you're still with me". Maybe Bob was confined to barracks for breaking the rules last time, so now he's happy to do a bit of sightseeing and grab a little garmonbozia on the way.
Mr C's agenda is totally different from Bob's. Mr C wants to stay out at all costs, so Bob's way of doing things could cause too many problems. Mr C can more or less pass himself off as a normal, if distant, human being. Bob, not so much.
We still don't really know what Mr C wants, other than to stay out of the Lodge. Maybe he just wants a condo in Miami or something. I doubt it but stranger things have happened.
In any case, I like the way Mr C is portrayed; I think there are way too many cackling, screaming maniacs. The quiet ones are far more scary, because you just know all the screaming and cackling is there, it's just on the inside.
I got the same impression - that Mr C is in control as the "host." It's different from the Leland situation.
I agree with Sammy boy.
Mr.C isn't bland. He's cold, calm and calculating. Nowadays, so many villains seem to have gone The Joker route - all chaos, cackling and being over the top.
Mr.C is terrifying because he's always so damn calm. So controlled. So relaxed (other than certain moments.)
He's like a real life predator, calmly stalking his prey.
I'm also assuming BOB is less like BOB because Mr.C is too strong and dominant a personality for him to fully control. Leland was, frankly, a weak and feeble person who was easy to dominate. Consequently, BOB's personality took over and he had full control. He was driving the car.
With Bad Coop he ain't driving. He's in the passenger seat.
I agree with Sammy boy.
Mr.C isn't bland. He's cold, calm and calculating. Nowadays, so many villains seem to have gone The Joker route - all chaos, cackling and being over the top.
Mr.C is terrifying because he's always so damn calm. So controlled. So relaxed (other than certain moments.)
He's like a real life predator, calmly stalking his prey.
I'm also assuming BOB is less like BOB because Mr.C is too strong and dominant a personality for him to fully control. Leland was, frankly, a weak and feeble person who was easy to dominate. Consequently, BOB's personality took over and he had full control. He was driving the car.
With Bad Coop he ain't driving. He's in the passenger seat.
BOB is a parasite that feeds on fear and sometimes pleasure (as MIKE says) badcooper with its violent actions satisfies all its needs without having to intervene except when it really needs it, seen in prison when it shakes all the balls to help Mr C or some other time
I agree with Sammy boy.
Mr.C isn't bland. He's cold, calm and calculating. Nowadays, so many villains seem to have gone The Joker route - all chaos, cackling and being over the top.
Mr.C is terrifying because he's always so damn calm. So controlled. So relaxed (other than certain moments.)
He's like a real life predator, calmly stalking his prey.
I'm also assuming BOB is less like BOB because Mr.C is too strong and dominant a personality for him to fully control. Leland was, frankly, a weak and feeble person who was easy to dominate. Consequently, BOB's personality took over and he had full control. He was driving the car.
With Bad Coop he ain't driving. He's in the passenger seat.BOB is a parasite that feeds on fear and sometimes pleasure (as MIKE says) badcooper with its violent actions satisfies all its needs without having to intervene except when it really needs it, seen in prison when it shakes all the balls to help Mr C or some other time
That's a great point. There is no need for Bob to control or direct Mr. C. Bob has all the garmonbozia he could want while he's with Mr. C.
I think it also might have something to with Mr. C being a doppelganger from the Black Lodge and not a real human. The dynamic there could be very different.
Leland was, frankly, a weak and feeble person who was easy to dominate. Consequently, BOB's personality took over and he had full control. He was driving the car. With Bad Coop he ain't driving. He's in the passenger seat.
I'm sorry, but this deduction just doesn't work. In the infamous end of season 2 we already caught a glimpse of BOB within Bad Coop. BOB saw himself inside Cooper from the mirror and gave the insane laughter, repeating "How's Annie!" again and again. This is COMPLETELY IDENTICAL to how he was with Leland. So BOB's possession seems to be 100%. Furthermore, BOB AND the doppelganger = Bad Coop were BOTH shown in the red room / black lodge in the season 2 finale, laughing maniacally together. No coldness or calculation there. As they merged to form the Cooper that returned from the lodge, it's natural that the result is this crazy person, too. With Leland, we only saw the actual person with BOB. This is Cooper's bad doppelganger with BOB. So should be way crazier.
It doesn't really matter that Frank Silva isn't with us anymore, surely Kyle MacLachlan could've pulled off the same crazy performance he did in the season 2 finale, had Lynch & Frost wanted to go that way. The difference between the cold and calculating Bad Coop and the Bad Coop we saw earlier is striking and without any doubt yrev very much something that Lynch & Frost have desired for some reason.
It COULD be that in the writing process of the Return, Lynch & Frost felt bad about their original decision to have the Bad Coop in the season 2 ending act like they did, when a different kind of approach was needed for what they wanted to do now. But if that were the case, you would think they'd try to make us forget how mad Bad Coop was in the season 2 finale. But, instead, they have shown many flashbacks of THAT exactly. Which is strange.
I certainly hope this change will be addressed in the final two episodes in some way. Of course maybe it won't be. In that case, the only possible explanation I can think of, is that with time (25 years or so), Bad Coop has, indeed, gained more control and BOB isn't so strong a presence anymore. But I hope there's something else to it, a better actual reason to his change, and it will be pointed out one way or another.
maybe in the remaining bets now that we are at twin peaks The BOB maniac re-emerges was useless and repetitive to repeat the LELAND / BOB throughout the season
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