I understand your thoughts, Ella. Cooper is a stand up dude that most always seems to do the right thing. This is evidenced in his reply to Janey-E's "Don't leave," as he says, "I have to." He understands his role in trying to save reality as "we" know it. That is much bigger than anything he might want to do. It's about doing the right thing not about what he wants.
Sonny Jim isn't technically his child. He's the child of Dougie the tulpa of Mr C (hence the philandering, gambling, insurance scams, etc.). However, I don't think that matters to Cooper. He'd raise him as if he was his own.
Given all of my posts in this thread, I can actually envisage a cliffhanger based upon the ambiguity of whether or not it's Coop or the new Dougie walking through the Red door in Vegas. Anything is possible and I'm not ruling it out.
My thoughts exactly. If I were Janey E, I wouldn't mind a Cooper tulpa. He'd be based off of Agent Cooper, and would have his morals. He's be a great hubby and father. Heck, she put up with Dougie. Tulpa Cooper is a huge improvement.
But in the end, I think Agent Cooper might consider returning. If he walks through the red door on Lancelot Ct., then I think we won't know which Cooper it is.
Janey-E doesn't love "Dougie" for who he is but rather what he did for her & Sonny Jim financially. The BMW, the casino winnings, the swing-set. She's as materialistic as they come and deserves a tulpa husband. As long as he's buying her s**t it doesn't matter who he is.
One Dale Cooper will go to live with Janey E and Sonny Jim while the other will return to active duty in the FBI. It will be left up to us to decide which is the real Dale and which is the Tulpa.
Janey-E doesn't love "Dougie" for who he is but rather what he did for her & Sonny Jim financially. The BMW, the casino winnings, the swing-set. She's as materialistic as they come and deserves a tulpa husband. As long as he's buying her s**t it doesn't matter who he is.
I don't really understand this criticism. When we met the Jones' they were mired in debt and it appeared that Dougie wasn't intimately or emotionally available for Janey-E or Sonny Jim. Then, all of a sudden a blank canvas dropped in both of their laps and providing financially, yes, but not solely. The blank canvas started radiating positive vibes and became a mirror for what both Janey-E and Sonny Jim needed from a partner and a father respectively. I see the material gains as a byproduct and widened the contrast between Dougie and catatonic-Coop. The former was a problem creator while the latter was a problem solver. Janey-E isn't perfect, but Dougie was even less so.
I noticed something and didn't want to start a new thread, but did anyone watch Kyle's question and answer on Twitter yesterday? I noticed how much his real-life mannerisms resemble the "real" first Dougie that we meet in Rancho Rosa, more than any of his other characters.
I never thought Dougie was bad in any serious way. He cheated on his wife, wasn't a very good husband and father, but he seemed like he had a good heart in the few minutes we got to see him before the change. Dougie's sort of a natural ordinary human (odd since he's a tulpa). But most certainly imperfect. I'm not sure he's a tulpa of Mr. C. Maybe he's a different version of Dale, one that didn't find his path through the FBI.
Mr. C., on the other hand, seems to be almost entirely Dale's shadow in Jungian terms. Not a copy, although he looks like one.
I believe that Coop (the Coop we know and love and not mullet Coop) arranged for the 'making' of another Dougie so that Jane-E and Sonny Jim would have a restored balance. The sad thought is that now she's encountered the *real* Coop, is she going to end up with another fat useless husband who bangs prossies?
Doubtful 'cause the new Dougie will be made from Coop genes and not doppel-genes.
Yeah, I figure if Mr. C begat harmless loser Dougie Mk. 1, then Dale should beget harmless winner Dougie Mk. 2.
I changed my mind, and I'm OK with a tulpa Dougie returning to them instead of Coop. I now strongly doubt that Janey-E is Cooper's true love.
I watched the Vegas scenes again, and when Cooper wakes up and Janey-E walks in, he doesn't kiss her. There's no grand romance one would expect when spouses reconnect after one has been in a coma! Given Sonny Jim comes from Cooper DNA, it isn't necessarily a lie for Cooper to say he's his son.
Now consider the 119 woman. Dougie Dougie may have been a good apple gone rotten, but he was still rotten when we met him. Janey-E was not happy with him (with very good reason); the family was in debt AND DANGER. Those mobsters Janey-E told off were threatening them.
Perhaps the pre-Dougie Coop Janey-E was like the 119 woman--lonely, in trouble, with a son who was practically going fatherless. But she didn't/couldn't do anything about it, didn't know how to call for help.*
Also, who's to say that a good Dougie returning would be fake--or more fake than real life? Janey-E wanted dreams to come true; her biggest dreams were probably for Sonny Jim. Providing him solid funding and a father who cares and plays with him (like Dougie Coop enjoyed) would be another life dream fulfilled.
I do wonder about the cowboy/lawman imagery in Sonny Jim's room though and whether that was supposed to clue us into Dale Cooper being his real dad. But I digress. Point is: I'll let the show go where it goes.
*First time I saw the originals, in EVERY scene with Shelly and Leo, I shouted at the tv: Call the police!! Call 911!!! (Oh and Red is some kind of otherworldly character methinks. He's a bad boy archetype. Once Bobby stopped being the bad boy, Shelly moved on, doomed to be attracted to assholes. Maybe.)
I'm still not sure why people think original Coop should be romantically involved with Janey-E.
He was trapped in his own body, but in someone else's life. I'm sure he cared about them, but he was still imprisioned.
I don't know how others would feel, but I don't think I could adapt to someone else's life. I'm too me. I'd want to escape as soon as possible.
Although, I probably would make the same decision to make the tulpa, because I would care about their wellbeings, but I'm not sure how right it is or how OK that would turn out in the long-term. It would probably bother me and I'd want to check in on them from time to time.
OK. I rewatched Cooper saying goodbye to Janey-E and Sonny Jim. He (real Cooper) definitely does not plan on returning to them. He refers to Dougie in third person and corrects himself. He does indeed plan to send a manufactured Dougie back to them.
I don't think this is a huge afront though; both Jones's will be better off with the presumably improved Dougie, and if Cooper's going to be in love, it needs to be with someone he fully falls in love in love with romantically, not just a caretaker like Janey-E has been.
BUT! I guess the green beetle slot machine really stood out to me this time. It might be an omen. Or, the fact that its green (like Freddy's glove, and not like the foreboding yellow and red we've seen) might mean its actually good luck?? Janey-E is swallowing a good-luck frogmoth!
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