"I've been with Dale, and Laura. The good Dale is in the lodge, and he can't leave. Write it in your diary."
Cooper's doppelgänger escaped the black lodge, not Cooper.
MMMMaybe. Then what is DougieCoop?
Annie is no longer in the Black Lodge, but when she was there, Dale couldn't leave (good Dale). The Return seems to begin with various forces working to get the good Dale out of the lodge, and what we're seeing is the result of that effort. And it's kind of bungled a bit due to evil Cooper's refusal to go back etc.
Time is different in different planes (as we know because Garland Briggs for instance) but that doesn't mean that it disappears altogether. Good Cooper doesn't have to stay in the Black Lodge forever.
I feel like "the good Dale is in the Lodge and can't leave" still applies vis a vis the gold pearl.
I think that Mr C has real Coop's body and Dougie Jones has just enough of the removed spirit piece that needs to displace whatever resides in Coop's body right now. (Also, hi. New to the forum but absolutely not new to Twin Peaks 😉 )
Forgive my memory but have we seen anyone recognize Dougie? You'd think Diane would have at least had some inkling if Dougie actually looked like Coop, even if she didn't keep in touch with her sister much. (I think the FBI agents recognized him tho) And when we first see Dougie, he's got a totally different hair cut and is wearing strange clothes. What with SO much hinging on the viewers' perception, I don't see any reason why we might just be shown Dougie as Coop (even in the hit man's photograph) while Dougie is actually just a slightly different looking person.
Hopefully Hutch and Chantal know that Dougie and Coop look like their boss or the assasination attempt could end up being pretty damned hilarious.
Edit: welcome to the forum, btw!
I predict that by the end, we will see someone clearly make it to the White Lodge. There is a chance that Garland Briggs is already there. But all the others seem trapped, in and out of the Red Room which is both black and white, a conduit for those whose work isn't finished. Maybe a Return of Jedi ending, with a few familiar characters gathered together, smiling from the White Lodge.
I actually hope not. But it would be good to see someone there. Most of our attention has been focused on the Black Lodge.
No theory (it would be impossible) just random ideas on how it may end.
Last diary page will be found. Stitched under the skin that covers the eyes of Naido. It will tell a dream, one Laura had in which she saw someone like her, but that was not her, talking about things that are taking place in Twin peaks now. Diane will confront Mr. C. and die. Somehow Naido is the key to get to Mother, which is what Mr. C. wants, so he'll try get to her but Freddie will protect her with his green-thumb gardener superpower. Everybody will be taken to the Red Room, the two planes of existence will intertwine and hell will break loose. Confrontation between Mr. C. and Cooper, after 25 years. The outcome will be victory for the "good ones". Laura will be reincarnated (or she had already) and Cooper will find her ("What is your name?") The show will end full circle presenting us with past-present-future blending together wrapping things up nicely, making us "feel" rather than understand (or maybe both) that everything was, is and will be connected ("The past dictates the future.") Cooper will stay with Janey-E. Richard will be on Mr. C 's side and die. Audrey will somehow "wake up" seeing her son dying by the hands of his father lookalike, the man she loved (Cooper). Sarah will die and she'll be finally free to enjoy some peace. I think Leland will pop up sometime around the end, and we will get something like "a family reunion" like the one we saw on The Complete Mystery last disc.
I see a gigantic choral scene happening at the Roadhouse as Julee Cruise is singing in the final episode. I'm going to dream about it tonight and let you know some more about it!
"The good Dale is in the lodge and he can't leave."
"Laura's diary indicates there may be two Coopers."
IMO Dougie Coop is in fact the real Special Agent Dale Cooper, in both body and soul, with a scrambled noggin.
1) Original Dougie is physically transported away into the Red Room (in a reality cracking *BOOM* that scares the shit out of Jade.)
2) Special Agent Dale Cooper is physically transported back into our world through electricity. I believe this is his original body rematerializing into the real world. He is absolutely not "downloaded" into Original Dougie. Original Dougie is already gone from this plane of existence as we clearly see in the episode, only his vomit remains. Henceforth Special Agent Dale Cooper is mistaken for Dougie.
3) Mr C's fingerprints are exactly the reverse of Dale Cooper's. We find out from sultry Agent Preston that his prints were manipulated into the reverse in order to match those of Special Agent Dale Cooper. This tells us he is not just different in spirit but also in body. However doppelgängers are created, they are literally separate and distinct entities- twisted opposites.
4) Dougie Coop's finger prints exactly match those of Special Agent Dale Cooper. (They are only connected to that "escaped prisonor" because those prints had been reversed to match what was on record.). Hence the funny scene with the Vegas detectives dismissing the report they received about Dougie Coop as being a former FBI agent recently expscaped from jail.
5) Dougie Coop may lack access to memories but he is instinctively "good" in almost everything he does. He's missing mind, not soul.
6) Dougie Coop has physical muscle memories of his FBI training, as seen in his takedown of Ike The Spike. That's Special Agent Dale Cooper's body.
Because he's a doppelgänger, Mr C has "copies?" of Special Agent Dale Cooper's memories up to the moment he entered The Red Room. Cooper does not and will not have Mr C's memories.
Maybe Cooper's mind is understandably recovering from 25 years in another dimension or maybe it's scrambled because of some cosmic law regulating doppelgängers and originals both simultaneously existing in our reality. Either way, I predict there will not be any merging, there must be a destruction of one or another.
Original Dougie was just a tulpa, a manufactured entity that's served its purpose for Mr C. He's gone, his story over.
And from a character and storytelling standpoint, I cannot imagine Special Agent Dale Cooper doomed to live with the memories and guilt of all the evil in Mr C's wake. He has already paid the price for his failure in confronting "the dweller on the threshold" by losing 25 years of his life on our earth.
That's my 2 cents..
I see a gigantic choral scene happening at the Roadhouse as Julee Cruise is singing in the final episode. I'm going to dream about it tonight and let you know some more about it!
I'm hoping to see Julee Cruise in the Red Room as an homage to Jimmy Scott.
I predict that by the end, we will see someone clearly make it to the White Lodge. There is a chance that Garland Briggs is already there. But all the others seem trapped, in and out of the Red Room which is both black and white, a conduit for those whose work isn't finished. Maybe a Return of Jedi ending, with a few familiar characters gathered together, smiling from the White Lodge.
I actually hope not. But it would be good to see someone there. Most of our attention has been focused on the Black Lodge.
The message given to Andy with the fireman included an image of Laura with angels on each side. Also end of FWWM, an angel communicates something to her and she is smiling.
And from a character and storytelling standpoint, I cannot imagine Special Agent Dale Cooper doomed to live with the memories and guilt of all the evil in Mr C's wake. He has already paid the price for his failure in confronting "the dweller on the threshold" by losing 25 years of his life on our earth.
That's my 2 cents..
Hi Henry,
Great post.
I agree with all your enumerated points, but not the prediction above.
Especially from a character and storytelling standpoint, I can imagine Cooper doomed to live with Mr. C's memories. Not that he deserves it.
But I would pay good money to see MacLachlan play that scene.
Won't be long now before we find out, one way or the other! 😉
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And from a character and storytelling standpoint, I cannot imagine Special Agent Dale Cooper doomed to live with the memories and guilt of all the evil in Mr C's wake. He has already paid the price for his failure in confronting "the dweller on the threshold" by losing 25 years of his life on our earth.
That's my 2 cents..
Hi Henry,
Great post.
I agree with all your enumerated points, but not the prediction above.
Especially from a character and storytelling standpoint, I can imagine Cooper doomed to live with Mr. C's memories. Not that he deserves it.
But I would pay good money to see MacLachlan play that scene.
Won't be long now before we find out, one way or the other! 😉
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Agree with this. Coop having to come to grips with all that has been done in his name over the past 25 years is compelling character development and transcends the typical growth of a "human" over such a time frame. I understand the reason that some folks don't want to see their vision of Special Agent Dale Cooper being corrupted, but I don't think that's realistic at this juncture. Definitely chewing my nails in anticipation.
"The good Dale is in the lodge and he can't leave."
"Laura's diary indicates there may be two Coopers."
IMO Dougie Coop is in fact the real Special Agent Dale Cooper, in both body and soul, with a scrambled noggin.
1) Original Dougie is physically transported away into the Red Room (in a reality cracking *BOOM* that scares the shit out of Jade.)
2) Special Agent Dale Cooper is physically transported back into our world through electricity. I believe this is his original body rematerializing into the real world. He is absolutely not "downloaded" into Original Dougie. Original Dougie is already gone from this plane of existence as we clearly see in the episode, only his vomit remains. Henceforth Special Agent Dale Cooper is mistaken for Dougie.
3) Mr C's fingerprints are exactly the reverse of Dale Cooper's. We find out from sultry Agent Preston that his prints were manipulated into the reverse in order to match those of Special Agent Dale Cooper. This tells us he is not just different in spirit but also in body. However doppelgängers are created, they are literally separate and distinct entities- twisted opposites.
4) Dougie Coop's finger prints exactly match those of Special Agent Dale Cooper. (They are only connected to that "escaped prisonor" because those prints had been reversed to match what was on record.). Hence the funny scene with the Vegas detectives dismissing the report they received about Dougie Coop as being a former FBI agent recently expscaped from jail.
5) Dougie Coop may lack access to memories but he is instinctively "good" in almost everything he does. He's missing mind, not soul.
6) Dougie Coop has physical muscle memories of his FBI training, as seen in his takedown of Ike The Spike. That's Special Agent Dale Cooper's body.
Because he's a doppelgänger, Mr C has "copies?" of Special Agent Dale Cooper's memories up to the moment he entered The Red Room. Cooper does not and will not have Mr C's memories.
Maybe Cooper's mind is understandably recovering from 25 years in another dimension or maybe it's scrambled because of some cosmic law regulating doppelgängers and originals both simultaneously existing in our reality. Either way, I predict there will not be any merging, there must be a destruction of one or another.
Original Dougie was just a tulpa, a manufactured entity that's served its purpose for Mr C. He's gone, his story over.
And from a character and storytelling standpoint, I cannot imagine Special Agent Dale Cooper doomed to live with the memories and guilt of all the evil in Mr C's wake. He has already paid the price for his failure in confronting "the dweller on the threshold" by losing 25 years of his life on our earth.
That's my 2 cents..
That makes perfect sense!
I predict that by the end, we will see someone clearly make it to the White Lodge. There is a chance that Garland Briggs is already there. But all the others seem trapped, in and out of the Red Room which is both black and white, a conduit for those whose work isn't finished. Maybe a Return of Jedi ending, with a few familiar characters gathered together, smiling from the White Lodge.
I actually hope not. But it would be good to see someone there. Most of our attention has been focused on the Black Lodge.
The message given to Andy with the fireman included an image of Laura with angels on each side. Also end of FWWM, an angel communicates something to her and she is smiling.
Oh, yes, I should have made the connection that those angel scenes suggest White Lodge. I loved that Laura scene at the end of FWWM, where she looks so beautiful and happy with Dale Cooper so handsome at her side.
I predict that by the end, we will see someone clearly make it to the White Lodge. There is a chance that Garland Briggs is already there. But all the others seem trapped, in and out of the Red Room which is both black and white, a conduit for those whose work isn't finished. Maybe a Return of Jedi ending, with a few familiar characters gathered together, smiling from the White Lodge.
I actually hope not. But it would be good to see someone there. Most of our attention has been focused on the Black Lodge.
The message given to Andy with the fireman included an image of Laura with angels on each side. Also end of FWWM, an angel communicates something to her and she is smiling.
Oh, yes, I should have made the connection that those angel scenes suggest White Lodge. I loved that Laura scene at the end of FWWM, where she looks so beautiful and happy with Dale Cooper so handsome at her side.
Your reply made me realise something.
We don't know what's gone on between Laura and Cooper within the lodge during the last 25 years.
Or whether the 25 years was actually experienced (or just skipped).
Fire walk with