This episode confirms Sarah as the New Mexico Girl  

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(@hardflame)
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When Sarah took off her face, the insides were black and vile.

Then a proboscis flicked in and out a few times. Just like a frogbug would have.

Then a hand appears and takes off THAT face, and inside there is just a mouth.

 

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Mother/Experiment/Babalon vomited the frogbug egg in part 8, and I think can possess any of her retched offspring. So basically I think Sarah is possessed by a monster which is itself possessed by the Experiment.

 

Discuss....

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Posted : 17/08/2017 2:23 pm
(@badalamenti-fan)
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Posted by: HardFlame Eudy

When Sarah took off her face, the insides were black and vile.

Then a proboscis flicked in and out a few times. Just like a frogbug would have.

Then a hand appears and takes off THAT face, and inside there is just a mouth.

 

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Mother/Experiment/Babalon vomited the frogbug egg in part 8, and I think can possess any of her retched offspring. So basically I think Sarah is possessed by a monster which is itself possessed by the Experiment.

 

Discuss....

Since it took Frogbug approximately 9 years to hatch.... I'm not sure "possession" is the right metaphor.  Perhaps "mutation," instead?  But I like the idea of nested possessions , like those Russian wooden dolls ... 

Moreover, there's no definitive reason to conclude that the New Mexico girl is Sarah Palmer.

For instance, there could be multiple/many "frog bugs." As one would expect from the diffuse, unseen effects of nuclear radiation contamination...

Most of all,  however, I think Lynch (and Frost) have made it  clear that there will be little for us to conclude definitively... Rather, there seem to be literal, metaphorical and mythological explanations simultaneously available for much of what we have seen... And it seems folks on this forum are caucusing around which explanations they prefer, much like in the real world... So, I'm not trying to tell you you're wrong, so much as I'm conveying this is one explanation among many.

But, to be sure, there's something behind Sarah Palmer's face. And it's horrifying/wonderful...

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Posted : 17/08/2017 2:35 pm
(@samxtherapy)
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No it doesn't.

Refer to linked thread for discussion on this subject.

http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/discuss/twin-peaks-part-14/the-bug-eating-girl-theory/

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum

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Posted : 17/08/2017 2:48 pm
(@matthew_gladney)
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There is another thread about this. Most folks who responded question the notion that somehow it is "confirmed" that Sarah Palmer is the New Mexico bug girl.

I don't really want to regurgitate all of the talking points here, since there's already a thread about it, but two of the nay factors have to do with information found in TSHOTP and in the difference in ethnicity.

So, no, not confirmed.

 

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Posted : 17/08/2017 2:53 pm
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Posted by: Matthew Gladney

I don't really want to regurgitate all of the talking points here, since there's already a thread about it, but two of the nay factors have to do with information found in TSHOTP and in the difference in ethnicity.

I do not believe that Sarah Palmer is necessarily the bug girl.  I'm not sure it even matters. 

That said, I don't understand why people mention the girl's ethnicity.  What evidence is there that the actor, Tikaeni Faircrest, is Latina?  I believe Grace Zabriskie is a Polish-American actor.  Tikaeni and Grace have similar skin tones and cheek bones. 

Again, not sure that it matters but the ethnicity claims seem odd unless her bio identifies that she has Hispanic ancestry. 

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Posted : 17/08/2017 3:02 pm
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Posted by: JeffreyGWillett
Posted by: Matthew Gladney

I don't really want to regurgitate all of the talking points here, since there's already a thread about it, but two of the nay factors have to do with information found in TSHOTP and in the difference in ethnicity.

I do not believe that Sarah Palmer is necessarily the bug girl.  I'm not sure it even matters. 

That said, I don't understand why people mention the girl's ethnicity.  What evidence is there that the actor, Tikaeni Faircrest, is Latina?  I believe Grace Zabriskie is a Polish-American actor.  Tikaeni and Grace have similar skin tones and cheek bones. 

Again, not sure that it matters but the ethnicity claims seem odd unless her bio identifies that she has Hispanic ancestry. 

Fair point. I don't know for certain what the actress's ethnicity is. It just didn't seem to be European. Then again, after you mentioned her name, I googled her and, seeing photos of her outside of her Twin Peaks role, it looks as though she could actually be more European-looking than I thought.

But there's also the Sarah Palmer bio stuff from TSHOTP that doesn't match-up with her being in New Mexico.

 

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Posted : 17/08/2017 3:10 pm
(@badalamenti-fan)
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Posted by: Matthew Gladney
Posted by: JeffreyGWillett
Posted by: Matthew Gladney

I don't really want to regurgitate all of the talking points here, since there's already a thread about it, but two of the nay factors have to do with information found in TSHOTP and in the difference in ethnicity.

I do not believe that Sarah Palmer is necessarily the bug girl.  I'm not sure it even matters. 

That said, I don't understand why people mention the girl's ethnicity.  What evidence is there that the actor, Tikaeni Faircrest, is Latina?  I believe Grace Zabriskie is a Polish-American actor.  Tikaeni and Grace have similar skin tones and cheek bones. 

Again, not sure that it matters but the ethnicity claims seem odd unless her bio identifies that she has Hispanic ancestry. 

Fair point. I don't know for certain what the actress's ethnicity is. It just didn't seem to be European. Then again, after you mentioned her name, I googled her and, seeing photos of her outside of her Twin Peaks role, it looks as though she could actually be more European-looking than I thought.

But there's also the Sarah Palmer bio stuff from TSHOTP that doesn't match-up with her being in New Mexico.

 

Claims regarding perceptions/presumptions regarding ethnic phenotypes notwithstanding...

...the most compelling reason to doubt this kind of utterly rational, systematic explanation, IMO, is Lynch's and Frost's seeming lack of interest in utterly rational, systematic explanations.  Their brand of mystery depends on an open-ended set of interpretive possibilities to be questioned and explored on the part of the audience. Which is why this forum is so interesting t0 me-- as I said above, participants seem to self-select into groups regarding which hypotheses/explanations they find most compelling.  I'd say this says tells us something interesting about  the audience for The Return and confirms the success of Lynch's and Frost's puzzle-box narrative... a mythos that needs to not be reducible to to a taxonomy of real and supernatural characters or a map of character relationships, nor to a set of rational and real explanations for everything the camera has captured. Pretty cool, IMO

This is not to deny anybody or any group on this forum their preferred explanations. I'll remain skeptical, however, of any textual claims to the decisive explanation.

For me, what is of particular interest is what kinds of conversations produced by bracketing textual analysis and moving-- albeit possibly prematurely-- to interpretation of the "how" and the "why" of Lynch's and Frost's explorations...  What do you think they are trying to accomplish with the associative network of Sarah, Laura, frogbug, and the Trinity Test?

A big question, to be sure.

 

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Posted : 17/08/2017 4:00 pm
(@matthew_gladney)
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Posted by: Badalamenti Fan
Posted by: Matthew Gladney
Posted by: JeffreyGWillett
Posted by: Matthew Gladney

I don't really want to regurgitate all of the talking points here, since there's already a thread about it, but two of the nay factors have to do with information found in TSHOTP and in the difference in ethnicity.

I do not believe that Sarah Palmer is necessarily the bug girl.  I'm not sure it even matters. 

That said, I don't understand why people mention the girl's ethnicity.  What evidence is there that the actor, Tikaeni Faircrest, is Latina?  I believe Grace Zabriskie is a Polish-American actor.  Tikaeni and Grace have similar skin tones and cheek bones. 

Again, not sure that it matters but the ethnicity claims seem odd unless her bio identifies that she has Hispanic ancestry. 

Fair point. I don't know for certain what the actress's ethnicity is. It just didn't seem to be European. Then again, after you mentioned her name, I googled her and, seeing photos of her outside of her Twin Peaks role, it looks as though she could actually be more European-looking than I thought.

But there's also the Sarah Palmer bio stuff from TSHOTP that doesn't match-up with her being in New Mexico.

 

Claims regarding perceptions/presumptions regarding ethnic phenotypes notwithstanding...

...the most compelling reason to doubt this kind of utterly rational, systematic explanation, IMO, is Lynch's and Frost's seeming lack of interest in utterly rational, systematic explanations.  Their brand of mystery depends on an open-ended set of interpretive possibilities to be questioned and explored on the part of the audience. Which is why this forum is so interesting t0 me-- as I said above, participants seem to self-select into groups regarding which hypotheses/explanations they find most compelling.  I'd say this says tells us something interesting about  the audience for The Return and confirms the success of Lynch's and Frost's puzzle-box narrative... a mythos that needs to not be reducible to to a taxonomy of real and supernatural characters or a map of character relationships, nor to a set of rational and real explanations for everything the camera has captured. Pretty cool, IMO

This is not to deny anybody or any group on this forum their preferred explanations. I'll remain skeptical, however, of any textual claims to the decisive explanation.

For me, what is of particular interest is what kinds of conversations produced by bracketing textual analysis and moving-- albeit possibly prematurely-- to interpretation of the "how" and the "why" of Lynch's and Frost's explorations...  What do you think they are trying to accomplish with the associative network of Sarah, Laura, frogbug, and the Trinity Test?

A big question, to be sure.

 

You've reminded me that The Return will probably be best viewed once it's done. Sometimes, I think our guessing (mine very much included) can almost detract from the overall experience.

I definitely plan on re-watching The Return from the beginning once it's done.

 

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Posted : 17/08/2017 5:22 pm
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Exactly.

Thats the reason I stopped guessing and rewatching...we just don't have enough info to go on and rewatching isn't going to shed light on anything.

Once it's done...and I have ALL the info...a rewatch of all 18 will be much much better than rewatching episodes when I have no clue what's going to happen.

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Posted : 17/08/2017 11:45 pm
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Posted by: Zack Sisson

Exactly.

Thats the reason I stopped guessing and rewatching...we just don't have enough info to go on and rewatching isn't going to shed light on anything.

Once it's done...and I have ALL the info...a rewatch of all 18 will be much much better than rewatching episodes when I have no clue what's going to happen.

I respect your position, and mine is very different. The watching and rewatching, the searching for clues without already knowing the outcome, the theorizing and parsing of others' theories- that is a significant propotion of the pleasure of this amazing experience for me.

And I think all that is an intended part of the experience, it is part of the show, it is how DL engages his audience. I do not really think, for instance, that there is actually a "code" in the place windows or the Lynch/Frost close. But they WANT us to NOTICE, and to wonder, and spend the time between episodes eneging that wonder.

I AM the FBI.

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Posted : 18/08/2017 12:03 am
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I completely agree with MJ.   I am surprised to discover the pleasure in it though.  At first this show was maddening.  All the way up to episode 8 just totally uneasy and not surefooted, and then with an emphatic crescendo, episode 8!  What the hell is going on?!! Who the hell are those guys?!!!  You wasted a whole damn hour on mystic creature barf-evils and flashery-Mcsmokery?!!  I was beside myself with pent up desire for quick understanding and predictable tidy wrapping up.  But!  Then, like the fabled Sex Magick, I found there to be secrets and truths in the withholding.  There was liberty in the void of not knowing, not understanding, but just vibrating with the intensity and unpredictability and layers of nuance, meaning, innuendo,...  If this show just shat out the same tired recap->rising->climax->cliffhanger each week, then - meh.  But DL knows exactly what you're expecting and dude straight deprives you.  It's about time to juice up next week with a big reveal, right? No. Bang! -> musical number at the Roadhouse.  Just when you were about to money shot on some good ol' resolution too.  Put it away wanting and save it for next week, chief. 

I'm telling you folks, embrace the chaos.  When is the last time you bristled with confusion and naked curiosity?  No TV show before has ever had its finger this deep on the pulse of how our truly fantastic and bizarre existence is so indelibly and seamlessly woven into the most basic and mundane daily grind - and TV may not ever, not never,  do it again.  This is David Lynch after all.  There's one Einstein, one MLK, one Bach, and one David Lynch.  It's not weird just for weird's sake, it's a mirror against the cackling hell of not being sure if normal and bizarre were ever really different in the first place.

So yeah, I enjoy the program.     

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Posted : 18/08/2017 2:55 am
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As Matthew said above, I'm not sure we've been given anything in TSHOTP to suggest that Sarah Palmer spent any time in New Mexico, but that doesn't mean anything really.

In terms of watching and re-watching. My first watch tends toward sensory, my second more observant of details, a turn of phrase, a look. Then I watch Pete Peppers and sometimes Wow Lynch Wow on YouTube and then I'll come back to the episode and watch it all over again.

For the record, part 8 is still my favourite episode, by far actually. That said I'm quite happy for this to end up as a collection of beautiful moments with nothing resolved at all. Although there are flashbacks to 1945 and 1956 and 1989, (or all bent out of shape somehow), this return appears to be over the space of a few days, so I think of it like a window that opens up for us to peer in for the briefest of moments and then closes again. Because of its brevity, like a short story it has an intensity. All the short stories I've written and read seem to have some sort of resolution, story arc, character change etc, but given what we've had so far, I guess all bets are likely off.

I am amped for part 15 though. the title seems to imply something, but so did let's rock! 

🙂

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Posted : 18/08/2017 3:13 am
(@caoimhin)
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Posted by: MJ Gilbert
Posted by: Zack Sisson

Exactly.

Thats the reason I stopped guessing and rewatching...we just don't have enough info to go on and rewatching isn't going to shed light on anything.

Once it's done...and I have ALL the info...a rewatch of all 18 will be much much better than rewatching episodes when I have no clue what's going to happen.

I respect your position, and mine is very different. The watching and rewatching, the searching for clues without already knowing the outcome, the theorizing and parsing of others' theories- that is a significant propotion of the pleasure of this amazing experience for me.

And I think all that is an intended part of the experience, it is part of the show, it is how DL engages his audience. I do not really think, for instance, that there is actually a "code" in the place windows or the Lynch/Frost close. But they WANT us to NOTICE, and to wonder, and spend the time between episodes eneging that wonder.

Agree. Some Twin Peaks fans are refraining from watching the Return until they're able to binge watch the entire season, but that is out of sync with how it is intended to be experienced - initially. It is their right. Ultimately, being able to binge watch the entire season after having viewed each part week-to-week and dissected, discussed, rewatched, combed through every detail, etc. will only serve to enrich the experience of season three even further. It is in the rewatch that binge watching will reveal its merit. 

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Posted : 18/08/2017 3:24 am
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I'm enjoying the episode by episode viewing, combined with the discussions here, sharing ideas and gaining new insights and clues.

I am equally looking forward to being able to watch the entire series without having to wait for the next part.

I'm sure there will be plenty of discussion about it for a while after, as we unpack everything, trying to make sense of it.  From the way things are going, I'm sure Mr Frost and Mr Lynch will leave us a lot to talk about.

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum

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Posted : 18/08/2017 7:07 am
(@jocelyn)
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Posted by: SamXTherapy

I'm enjoying the episode by episode viewing, combined with the discussions here, sharing ideas and gaining new insights and clues.

I am equally looking forward to being able to watch the entire series without having to wait for the next part.

I'm sure there will be plenty of discussion about it for a while after, as we unpack everything, trying to make sense of it.  From the way things are going, I'm sure Mr Frost and Mr Lynch will leave us a lot to talk about.

I was having the very same kind of thoughts. I have a feeling we will still be here long after the series concludes. 

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Posted : 18/08/2017 7:18 am
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