The show is definitely set before Tammy reads the Dossier. That would indicate to me that the events we are watching are set in September/October 2015 when they began filming the series.
I am not at all convinced that the Return is going to tie up neatly with the book.
It doesn't even tie up neatly with itself. Yet.
This week there was another time reference that possibly mucks up the timeline again.
Is it future or is it past?
I bet Lynch and Frost are going to get us asking ourselves this again and again right up until the end and maybe beyond.
There are various references that seem to put events (at least some of the main ones) in 2016. The 25 year reference, as already pointed out, would put events in 2014. And if the relationship with the book is relevant, then 2015 is a candidate too. Will it be resolved? Is it important?
Honestly the book is a bit of an odd fit with season 3 as of now, whenever you place the examination of the dossier. In both the book and the show Tammy seems to be completely new to all the people (Major Briggs, Coop, Phillip Jeffries) and the events. But if she examined the dossier before season 3 she should know by now who those people are, that Major Briggs had met Coop and thought there was something strange about him and you'd expect she'd bring up the dossier at some point. At the same time, if she got the dossier after the events of season 3 she would know who Coop was (maybe even that there was a doppelganger), what happened to Major Briggs etc. Not to mentioned that in the book she didn't have access to some documents (seemingly indicating that she wasn't a member of the blue rose team).
I think part of the problem is the lack of a complete timeline for events. At the beginning of the show, it's clearly established when events are happening (Cooper saying Episode 1 takes place on February 24, Albert saying "They're putting this girl in the ground on Monday" etc.) But as the show progressed, they seemed to forget more and more about the timeline. At this point, they could be assuming that the events of Episode 29 took place in 1991 (in line with the broadcast date.) If that's what they're going with, then the events of TR are taking place in 2016, so it could be after or before TSHOTP.
I think part of the problem is the lack of a complete timeline for events. At the beginning of the show, it's clearly established when events are happening (Cooper saying Episode 1 takes place on February 24, Albert saying "They're putting this girl in the ground on Monday" etc.) But as the show progressed, they seemed to forget more and more about the timeline. At this point, they could be assuming that the events of Episode 29 took place in 1991 (in line with the broadcast date.) If that's what they're going with, then the events of TR are taking place in 2016, so it could be after or before TSHOTP.
Reiterating: The original series takes place in 1989. Fire Walk With Me is a year earlier and leads up to the week before Laura's death. The Return is 25 years later which would make it 2014. The Secret History of Twin Peaks dossier is assigned to Tamara Preston August 4, 2016. (page 1)
In the Missing Pieces, Jeffries predicts "February, 1989." The Return comes out before the Secret History dossier.
Reiterating: The original series takes place in 1989. Fire Walk With Me is a year earlier and leads up to the week before Laura's death. The Return is 25 years later which would make it 2014. The Secret History of Twin Peaks dossier is assigned to Tamara Preston August 4, 2016. (page 1)
In the Missing Pieces, Jeffries predicts "February, 1989." The Return comes out before the Secret History dossier.
How long had Cooper been in the lodge/waiting room before Laura Palmer said "I'll see you again in 25 years?"
The original series takes place in 1989. Fire Walk With Me is a year earlier and leads up to the week before Laura's death. The Return is 25 years later which would make it 2014. The Secret History of Twin Peaks dossier is assigned to Tamara Preston August 4, 2016. (page 1)
Yes, that is what I thought, too. She goes through the dossier and edits it well after the events we are watching, and doesn't have all that knowledge yet. The above posts confused me--Tammy knows something, but most of the background material in SHOTP wouldn't be available to her yet. Or do the above posters mean something else by "dossier". The "final dossier" isn't even out yet, is it?
I think part of the problem is the lack of a complete timeline for events. At the beginning of the show, it's clearly established when events are happening (Cooper saying Episode 1 takes place on February 24, Albert saying "They're putting this girl in the ground on Monday" etc.) But as the show progressed, they seemed to forget more and more about the timeline. At this point, they could be assuming that the events of Episode 29 took place in 1991 (in line with the broadcast date.) If that's what they're going with, then the events of TR are taking place in 2016, so it could be after or before TSHOTP.
Reiterating: The original series takes place in 1989. Fire Walk With Me is a year earlier and leads up to the week before Laura's death. The Return is 25 years later which would make it 2014. The Secret History of Twin Peaks dossier is assigned to Tamara Preston August 4, 2016. (page 1)
In the Missing Pieces, Jeffries predicts "February, 1989." The Return comes out before the Secret History dossier.
I used to think the same, but it has been pointed out a few times on the forum that there are many inconsistencies between the different seasons, between the show and the movie, not to mention the books. Timeline is a complete mess.
I think yesterday proved it.
Gordon and Albert would never give the dossier to someone who wasn't part of Blue Rose.
It just suprised me when they offered TP the blue rose job. Through many episodes I wondered why does TP not know certain things? She analyzed the dossier!
Obviously she hasn't yet.
This changes my perspective.
The show is not tied to the book. M.F. & D.L. co-wrote the script so there were ideas they agreed on.
Yes, it is true that we are just creating confusion by making it sound like the book is necessary for or would even help us to understand the series. When I read the history, most of it was familiar. And what was new wasn't so important--too much of the book is through the eyes and words of Douglas Milford, who had only a fleeting comic role in TP Season 2. I did gain some insights through the sections dealing with Major Briggs, but again, most of it I could have known just as well from watching Series 2, and now 3. It was interesting to learn that Log Lady and Carl had a significant childhood experience, but it did not surprise me. Their later behavior suggests that they would have had many such strange happenings along the way.
What the book DOES do, however, is provide a much bigger background for the mystery that is Twin Peaks. It discusses old events from the days of Lewis and Clark through 20th century military matters, all of which added to the belief that something quite strange and beyond human understanding was always very much alive in those woods. That is what this whole series is really about to me--it's never been about figuring out who killed LP, or even getting Dale Cooper home. It's always been about delving deeper into a mystery and hoping for some answers about other realities, which are everywhere, but especially strong in those woods.
Assuming that some of the (very deliberate) watch or clock scenes in Series 3 tally - there's a Saturday 1st October. So if you want to stick to 'real world' time, that makes it 2016. Or there could be time warps all over the place.
Maybe that's how episode 18 finishes... it's just a jump to the left -
In a classified document dated 8/4/16 that introduces the Secret History dossier:
"CONFIRMED: Special Agent TP adjudicated for Top Secret security clearance as of 2009 and approved for adjunct liaison status with Special Task Force B[blacked out] and all related files, per Crypto Clearance 12.
CONFIRMED: Special Agent TP will report exclusively to head of Special Task Force B and to DIRECTOR."
She was granted adjunct liaison status with Blue Rose on August 4, 2016. Completed the work on the Secret History dossier on or after August 28. And was officially invited to join Special Task Force Blue Rose in late September.
To my knowledge, there is no official word on the exact date that Laura Palmer said "I'll see you again in 25 years", or any indication how 25 years passing in the lodge/s is related to actual time passing in the real world.
I think it is pretty clear the intent is for TP to have examined the dossier PRIOR to the events shown in the new series.
I have seen no note of time in the return.
Clock face time yes but nothing else.
I wish he would drop a clue about it.
Wasn't there a comment by Lynch or Frost that "Secret History" isn't fully canon with the TV show? I've read some of it, and it definitely gives clues to some of the thinking and concepts behind things in the season 3, but I leave it loose in my mind as far it needing to perfectly line up.
My sense is that Frost tries to keep season 3 as consistent with "Secret History" as possible, and then Lynch does as he likes, which puts a spin on the book's contents, rendering them a close, but 'parallel universe.'
I have seen no note of time in the return.
Clock face time yes but nothing else.
I wish he would drop a clue about it.
Andy's Rolex showed it was the 10th of something. Or maybe it showed that he doesn't know how to set the date on his watch.
Andy's Rolex showed it was the 10th of something. Or maybe it showed that he doesn't know how to set the date on his watch.
Yeah, I'm not sure how reliable the day is on Andy's watch.
"One time, Andy was even thinking that the clock had stopped," Lucy Brennan said. "And then we realized that we didn't even know what time it was."
I think the inconsistencies in Secret History and upcoming Final Dossier are intentional, perhaps as a reminder not to believe everything you read (or think you see, for that matter). Even the "official story" could have gotten it wrong or been altered to obfuscate the truth- this is consistent with "real life" "x-files." Likewise, experience is entirely subjective to the individual and their POV, as the scene where they visit Hasting's portal site, brilliantly demonstrates.
Fire walk with