Hawk's map and my growing disbelief in Dougie reverting back to Dale made me think of something. Or rather, set a train of thoughts in motion. Let's recap.
1. Mr. C is in search of the symbol seen on the map, or whatever it represents (as he himself revealed in Part 2)
2. He gets a bag from Hutch in Part 9. We never see the contents of the bag.
3. There has been some speculation long ago about the identity of the Cooper character seen in the teasers.
Well, obviously it's not Dougie. It's either Mr. C or the real Dale. I think what Mr. C got from Hutch is a black suit, perhaps a hair dresser kit, and something to get all that crap off his face. He's going to Twin Peaks to join the Sheriff's entourage to Jack Rabbit's Palace, totally oblivious to the fact that Hawk's on to his tricks already.
Just a possibility. Can't wait to see what happens next. I simply loved Part 11.
Yeah, it's really hard to tell if his eyes are black in the trailer. The expression on his face, though, is ambiguous and reminds me more of Mr C than Coop. A problem with Mr C joining up with everyone at Twin Peaks: they wanted him to remain in prison while they tried to figure out why something was off about him. They're not going to welcome him with open arms unless he's incredibly convincing in portraying Coop. Coop may also face the same problem. You are likely onto something though: they may need Hawk to figure out which is the real Coop.
I do sort of hope there's not a standoff scene between the 2 Coops where people are trying to guess and figure out which is which. What's in the bag, Mr. C, what's in the bag?!
I don't believe there can be a standoff between the two Coopers in the physical universe. They can be in the Lodges together but they can't be in the world together. It's why "good" Dale is still trapped, I believe, because Mr. C is still at large outside of the Lodge.
So if there's a standoff, it would happen in the Lodge (or the Lodges' waiting room). Wouldn't it suck if this series ends with Mr. C winning/succeeding and "good" Dale being stuck in the waiting room until the next time it opens (who knows when?)?
A problem with Mr C joining up with everyone at Twin Peaks: they wanted him to remain in prison while they tried to figure out why something was off about him. They're not going to welcome him with open arms unless he's incredibly convincing in portraying Coop.
As far as we know, no-one in Twin Peaks knows about Mr C either in prison, or if he's on his way to Twin Peaks, or any of his actions in the last 25 years for that matter. More then likely, Mr. C could attempt to pose as Coop, or he could simply make it to the location before them. I expect Diane to relay the coordinates to whomever she's been contacting, whether she knows they're connected to Mr. C or not. Unless Mr. C gets a haircut, he's not fooling too many people in Twin Peaks who knew him.
Hawk and Sheriff Truman have read the pages of Laura's diary, so they know that who came out of the lodge 25 years ago was not "the good Dale".
A problem with Mr C joining up with everyone at Twin Peaks: they wanted him to remain in prison while they tried to figure out why something was off about him. They're not going to welcome him with open arms unless he's incredibly convincing in portraying Coop.
As far as we know, no-one in Twin Peaks knows about Mr C either in prison, or if he's on his way to Twin Peaks,
Very true. I was writing under the assumption that the FBI would already be there. But I shouldn't assume . . .
A problem with Mr C joining up with everyone at Twin Peaks: they wanted him to remain in prison while they tried to figure out why something was off about him. They're not going to welcome him with open arms unless he's incredibly convincing in portraying Coop.
As far as we know, no-one in Twin Peaks knows about Mr C either in prison, or if he's on his way to Twin Peaks, or any of his actions in the last 25 years for that matter. More then likely, Mr. C could attempt to pose as Coop, or he could simply make it to the location before them. I expect Diane to relay the coordinates to whomever she's been contacting, whether she knows they're connected to Mr. C or not. Unless Mr. C gets a haircut, he's not fooling too many people in Twin Peaks who knew him.
Truman, Hawk, and Bobby are aware of the "two Coopers" (or 2.5 Coopers) message from Garland Briggs, and Hawk/Truman have reviewed the missing diary page that references the "Good Dale" being stuck in the lodge.
I don't believe there can be a standoff between the two Coopers in the physical universe. They can be in the Lodges together but they can't be in the world together. It's why "good" Dale is still trapped, I believe, because Mr. C is still at large outside of the Lodge.
So if there's a standoff, it would happen in the Lodge (or the Lodges' waiting room). Wouldn't it suck if this series ends with Mr. C winning/succeeding and "good" Dale being stuck in the waiting room until the next time it opens (who knows when?)?
I agree with you, it's not a meeting between Cooper and DoppleCooper, it's a meeting between Dougie and Mr. C inhabiting DoppleCooper. The real Dale is trapped in the lodge.
I was just referencing the Hawk's statement, 2 Coopers after seeing Briggs's message. But that doesn't mean there won't be a standoff between Dougie and Mr. C (and there could of course be also/instead a standoff between Cooper and DoppleCooper in the lodge). I just sorta don't want that to happen, the whole, "which is the real Cooper" scenario with the sometimes dimwitted Andy trying to figure it out, for example 🙂
Dougie was turned into a golden pearl. He no longer exists. Mr C and Dale Cooper both take up physical space in our plane of existence. Mike and the Arm wanted Mr C to return to the Red Room when Coop left, but since he didn't, either Coop or Mr C has to die - according to Mike. That might need to take place in a dimension other than our own, but take place it must.
Caoimhin, agree, but for ease, I think we've generally referred to Dale Cooper's physical body's re-entrance into the material as Dougie and DoppleDale's physical body as Mr. C. Those are the two physical entities that do co-exist in the material world. I might start referring to Dougie as Dale Cooper when his physical and spiritual bodies are united, but I think it makes more sense to call him Dougie as shorthand.
Yeeeeeeeah.
At least I refer to the main character of Twin Peaks as Dougie Jones, I am well aware that he is actually Dale Cooper, but by our perception and that alone.
For now.
From my viewpoint the real Dale is in Dougie's life. That is the real agent Cooper. Dougie ceased to exist when his purpose was fulfilled. I have been explaining to my children that you could think of being in the lodge for 25 years like being in a sensory deprivation tank or solitary. He has to learn to speak again and interact again. But I think the way the electric outlet worked and the scene in the House above the Purple Ocean the physical being in Dougie's life is Dale Cooper.
As for what Mr C. is doing and in the bag from Hutch not sure. We will find out.
On a side note I think the very first scenes of Cooper with ??????? are the ending. I think Cooper lures something into the white lodge to trap it away from this world. Also Cooper's loss of himself mentality may be a form of protection from detection.
Yeeeeeeeah.
At least I refer to the main character of Twin Peaks as Dougie Jones, I am well aware that he is actually Dale Cooper, but by our perception and that alone.
For now.
I'm utterly confused. Sophistry?
Yeeeeeeeah.
At least I refer to the main character of Twin Peaks as Dougie Jones, I am well aware that he is actually Dale Cooper, but by our perception and that alone.
For now.
I'm utterly confused. Sophistry?
Not in the slightest, I'm really sorry if I expressed myself a bit wrong.
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