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(@dobbshead)
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I change my submission - I prefer The Abbey Road to Homo Sapiens feat. Dougie

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Posted : 19/04/2018 10:42 pm Julie Loader liked
(@lucas_bracci)
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Like many other guys here, I believed that the brand was Black Jack. I think that I've read that somewhere on the internet or in Wrapped in Plastic.

Another candidate, Clove.

Clove Gum

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From Reddit :

Anecdotally, I always thought this Twin Peaks line was a reference to Adams Gum. Right around 1990, Adams Gum (makers of Clove and Blackjack flavors) began to show up in stores again. These were gums my baby-boomer mom used to chew way back when.

She was excited when she saw them in 1990, and we used to buy them (I was middle school age). I know nowadays we are inundated with new products and flavors, but it wasn't like that back then, so this was pretty notable.

I assumed that's what Lynch was referencing.

 
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Posted : 20/04/2018 3:53 am
(@b-randy)
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Wow so much knowledge of nasty gums of generations past.

I think I'm gonna have side with Big Red from a visual standpoint.

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Posted : 20/04/2018 12:34 pm Joseph McMurty liked
(@brian_hardin_ii)
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In regards to Black Jack gum...

Okay..    so perhaps...    just perhaps...   WE are experiencing an alternate time line... 

This is truly META now.  MANY folks think that it is Black Jack gum that is what was referenced, but there is no clear evidence that it was ever shown or talked about in Twin Peaks (I'm also thinking that Leland actually called it out by name, but again, I cannot locate evidence of that).

This is also known as the Mandela Effect (a collective remembering specific events or facts as it happened when the evidence is contrary), named after Nelson Mandela.

Example: In Snow White, I could have sworn the line was "Mirror, Mirror, on the wall" but instead it's "Magic Mirror on the wall".  

Another example is, of course, our Black Jack gum and Twin Peaks.

That said, I'm happy to be content with this:  Cooper went back in time to save Laura Palmer and just like the folks of Twin Peaks with their memories having changed (according to the Final Dossier), so now are ours.  THIS is our new META.

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Posted : 20/04/2018 2:23 pm Joseph McMurty liked
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It could also just be some entirely fictional gum that never actually existed in this timeline/reality. 

Kind of like Morley cigs.

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Posted : 20/04/2018 2:33 pm Joseph McMurty liked
(@dobbshead)
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My guess is that it's a Derren Brown kinda thing.  What with One-Eyed Jacks, and Black Jack winnings and maybe even Coop's black hair and black suit...black coffee. We  ALL 🙂 just arrived at the same conclusion through subliminal suggestion.  I can pretty distinctly picture/remember Coop sliding out a stick of gum and saying something like, "Black Jack gum, the finest there is" or something like that, but evidently that never happened.  Harry standing there looking 1990 sexy in a not-too-bright kinda way. 

After some hunting, Black Jack is far and wide the prevailing guess, all without evidence.  Tell me that was on purpose and my fandom grows ever more.       

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Posted : 20/04/2018 11:35 pm
(@dobbshead)
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Posted by: Julie Loader

Now we just have to solve the riddle of "I look like her, but sometimes my arms bend back "

I know some think it is in reference to being tied up, and it well could be, but I just have this feeling it means something else, too.

In the scene before Lauras funeral, Bobby is looking at a picture of Jesus on the cross, and he copies the stance with his arms back...... angel wings?

 

I too would love to get some traction on "I feel like I know her, but sometimes my arms bend back".  (Why does that require a 'but' in between?)

I just can't help but feel like there's some real meat on that bone that I just can't see my way to biting into.  It HAS to have some significance. 

And not to overload the topic, but I would be thrilled to start parsing:

Through the darkness of futures past;  The magician longs to see;  One chants out between two worlds;  Fire walk with me

To me I've always been engaged with how so many of the words are homonyms with something else, for example:  future's past, futures past, futures passed;  or,  One chants out, one chance out; or even,  longs to see, longs to sea (a bit of poetic license that last one though) 

Not to mention:  I think you say, convenience store.  We lived above it.  I mean it like it is...like it sounds 

Like it is, like it sounds - Is he making literal a 'store of convenience', like an abundance or a cache of convenience, or is it a vendor that sells convenience in the sense of purchasing easy ignorance at the cost of principles and the difficulty of doing the right thing,  or maybe is he talking about "Above", as in on a higher plane.  or am I over-thinking it...  

 

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Posted : 20/04/2018 11:57 pm Brandy Fisher liked
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On the Blu-ray extra behind the scenes stuff, Lynch cues Sheryl Lee in the Lodge as Carrie Page. "I feel like I know her, but sometimes my arms bend back."

When do her arms bend back? In the timeline where Laura is killed.

That's all I got, and I know it's not enough 

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Posted : 21/04/2018 12:52 am Joseph McMurty liked
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Posted by: Brandy Fisher

It could also just be some entirely fictional gum that never actually existed in this timeline/reality. 

Kind of like Morley cigs.

2 mint, 3 5 cents.

The gum of completion. 

 

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Posted : 21/04/2018 4:22 am Joseph McMurty and Brandy Fisher liked
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Posted by: Julie Loader

Now we just have to solve the riddle of "I look like her, but sometimes my arms bend back "

I know some think it is in reference to being tied up, and it well could be, but I just have this feeling it means something else, too.

In the scene before Lauras funeral, Bobby is looking at a picture of Jesus on the cross, and he copies the stance with his arms back...... angel wings?

Tarot cards ?

The Hanged Man :

http://www.learntarot.com/maj12.htm  

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One of it opposing cards, The Magician (with the infinity symbol) :
 
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Posted : 21/04/2018 1:17 pm Joseph McMurty liked
(@lucas_bracci)
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BTW, a Twin Peaks tarot deck was created before the season 3 by Benjamin Mackey.

http://www.benjaminmackey.com/magicianlongstoseetarot

Dale Cooper is The Magician, with the owl cave symbol above his head (owl cave symbol transformed in infinity symbol at the end of season 3).

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The Hanged Man is Dr Jacoby.  

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Posted : 21/04/2018 1:29 pm
(@b-randy)
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Posted by: Lucas Bracci
Posted by: Brandy Fisher

It could also just be some entirely fictional gum that never actually existed in this timeline/reality. 

Kind of like Morley cigs.

2 mint, 3 5 cents.

The gum of completion. 

 

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Oh snap!

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Posted : 21/04/2018 4:29 pm Joseph McMurty liked
(@dobbshead)
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I kinda like the Tarot angle.  It's easy to see what you want in a long list of vague words, but

Hanged Man:  Ending the struggle, feeling outside of time, being a martyr, giving up for a higher cause - to me that's Laura

Magician: Producing magical results, making what's possible real, being totally committed, singleness of purpose, applying the force of your will, becoming energized.. Mr. C? (Or Coop perhaps, or both)

The Fool: Starting something new, heading into the unknown, living in the moment, acting on impulse, trusting the flow... Gotta be Dougie

I like it because it fits with the grand picture I'm piecing together for the whole of the Return.  The Return is like this absolutely unique and unexpected box that perfectly contours any one of a whole slew of perspectives or histories.  Like if you see the world from a lens of the Bible, you'll see Christ and Satan and all sorts of bible allegories, if you are from the school of Greek mythology, you can see Orpheus and Eurydice, there's a home for you if you favor Roman mythology, if you favor the history of cinema, if you're a political scientist you can explain everything from your point of view.  I even found pay dirt from a quantum theory perspective.  It's a glove that fits all hands - even if your philosophy has gun play and explosions at its core.  

All this from 18 hours that make no friggin sense whatsoever. 

Everything looks like nothing.  And how the hell could you write that into a script??

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Posted : 22/04/2018 12:34 am Lucas Bracci liked
(@dobbshead)
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While we're on the subject, or at least I am, this made me happy:

http://www.corax.com/tarot/number.html

2,5,3, time and time again = 10, the number of completion

(also, Laura is the 1)

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Posted : 23/04/2018 2:48 am
(@julie_loader)
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Just noticed the music in part 8 when senorita and fireman are with the Laura orb is the same as music in part 18 when Mike makes the new Dougie !

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Posted : 30/04/2018 2:11 am Brandy Fisher liked
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