Who Will Remember the Unofficial Version?  

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(@caoimhin)
Detective

This has turned into a damn fine thread. That is all for now. 

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Posted : 01/12/2017 2:54 pm
(@ric_bissell)
Deputy
Posted by: Chris Flackett

On the subject of Cole remembering, why would he not be subject to forgetfulness like everyone else? What makes him different?

Hi Chris,

Well, it was Jeffries that told Cooper that Cole would remember "the unoffcial version."

The most likely explanation is that Jeffries somehow has the power to make sure that Cole will be able to access memories from that now-defunct reality.

After all, it is pretty much a sure thing that it was the Steampunk Tin-Machine Teapot

 

 

that made both Cole and Albert forget the meeting in 1989 from which Phillip magically - Hey Presto! - appeared and disappeared.  =:-O

😉

- /< /\ /> -

That's strange - even for Cooper

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Posted : 02/12/2017 10:47 am
(@chris_flackett)
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Posted by: Ric Bissell
Posted by: Chris Flackett

On the subject of Cole remembering, why would he not be subject to forgetfulness like everyone else? What makes him different?

Hi Chris,

Well, it was Jeffries that told Cooper that Cole would remember "the unoffcial version."

The most likely explanation is that Jeffries somehow has the power to make sure that Cole will be able to access memories from that now-defunct reality.

After all, it is pretty much a sure thing that it was the Steampunk Tin-Machine Teapot

 

 

that made both Cole and Albert forget the meeting in 1989 from which Phillip magically - Hey Presto! - appeared and disappeared.  =:-O

😉

- /< /\ /> -

I like this, but why would Jeffries want Cole specifically to remember the unofficial version?

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Posted : 02/12/2017 11:25 am
(@monotrophic)
Lodger

Here's my two peaks on the subject:

I'm of the mind that Cooper, Diane, and Cole entering the Great Northern basement to mean they have stepped into a dimension free of linear time, much like the lodges, or even within one of the lodges itself. Cooper then proceeds to attempt to take Laura Palmer completely out of the timeline we all know, and even though his actions are obviously thwarted (by Judy? Sarah? Someone?) the end result is the same: Laura's murder never happens, and the timeline has been completely disrupted. 

It could also be that the lodges and the spirits within muddle the timeline itself. In the Final Dossier, Tammy literally has to bring up the "disappearance" of Laura Palmer to the Sheriff's department (that would have been active in the case) before they remember it, and even then, they simply agree that that's what must of happened. All this being said, and yes, this entirely my opinion, I postulate the following:

The "new" timeline where Cooper also disappears is the result of Cole and Cooper's existence in the timeline being altered, and "young" Cooper now has some knowledge of the future, although probably not a complete picture. His place within linear time has been changed/tainted by the lodges themselves, and his arrival in Twin Peaks is the result of him and Cole both knowing something is wrong in Twin Peaks, that they both know that it needs to be investigated, most likely triggered by the news of Laura Palmer's "disappearance" when they both believe that it should have been a murder.

The major problem with this theory is the obvious exclusion of any explanation of how Diane fits into all this. It's possible that she A) would also have some insight into Twin Peaks or B) her short existence as Naido may have tainted her timeline as well.

Anyone interested in tearing that apart is welcome, as I seem to be completely unable to get this show's fantastic finale out of my head, and I'm always much more interested in thought and theory then any real closure. 

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Posted : 02/12/2017 1:32 pm
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Posted by: Chris Mitchell

I'm of the mind that Cooper, Diane, and Cole entering the Great Northern basement to mean they have stepped into a dimension free of linear time, much like the lodges, or even within one of the lodges itself.

I definitely think there's something to this, but I'm starting to wonder if its more like there's a period when the timelines adjust from one to the other where there's an overlap. In which case, the final dossier is completely written from that position (hell, maybe even large parts of The Return are from this position; it would explain some of the continuity glitches between The Return and the original series).

This is perhaps why Cooper's face overlaps the scene in the sheriff's office: there's some sort of brief moment of unity in Cooper of the two timelines and he becomes cognizant of this fact. If enlightenment is a form of intense hyper-awareness, maybe this is the real reason Cole will remember the unofficial version. He came to some sort of enlightenment, either when he saw his vision of Laura in the hotel corridor, or when he had his Monica Bellucci dream. Once you become enlightened, it sticks. Not even shifts in time can unenlighten you.

 A big sticking point with this is that theoretically the events in the sheriff's office occur before Coop rescues Laura. However, what if we are not seeing a linear portrait of events but the events as time starts to change? We're seeing events as they start to experience the overlap in time.

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Posted : 02/12/2017 4:16 pm
(@pred80r)
Roadhouse Regular

Ok, I will completely agree that visiting this forum, venting, agreeing, disagreeing, reading the many theories and trying to formulate one of my own that makes some sort of sense, maybe sense isn't the correct word, some sort of cohesion, has helped me...immensely.

But I seriously feel like I need to get off of this ride, of course stupid me I am submitting myself to watching it all over again for some answers.

For some reason I just want to go back to Snoqualmie now... 

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Posted : 07/12/2017 7:56 pm
(@pred80r)
Roadhouse Regular

Fuzziness as a concept:

Not 1,2 or even 3 FBI agents are fuzzy on this...we are up to 5+

How can 5+ FBI agents have a hard time with memory and facts?  Because all 5 switched through some timeline or reality and the other one fades away...

Remember 430, Richard and Linda?  This is to keep from fading away...

 

If you alter the space time continuum , not only do the facts change...the memory of the facts fade as well...

But what do I know, I am still reeling from the ending.

Jack

 

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Posted : 13/12/2017 2:30 pm
(@julie_loader)
Deputy

In sheriff station ep 17 we here "we live inside a dream" spoken but it's  like a 45 record played on 33 .......

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Posted : 13/12/2017 6:24 pm
(@dobbshead)
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Posted by: Jack Dean

Fuzziness as a concept:

Not 1,2 or even 3 FBI agents are fuzzy on this...we are up to 5+

How can 5+ FBI agents have a hard time with memory and facts?  Because all 5 switched through some timeline or reality and the other one fades away...

Remember 430, Richard and Linda?  This is to keep from fading away...

 

If you alter the space time continuum , not only do the facts change...the memory of the facts fade as well...

But what do I know, I am still reeling from the ending.

Jack

 

As I like to read quantum physics books in my spare time, not like text books, more like a layman's description of the makeup of the universe (Brian Greene is my favorite author), it's been postulated that the arrow of time itself is adherent to and possibly one and the same with the second law of thermodynamics (not really a law though, more of a statistical probability) that entropy of a system will always increase.  In that framework should entropy decrease, and time move backwards; eggs leaping off the floor and reassembling themselves back into a carton, cream separating from coffee and drizzling upwards back into the jug, both computers and human brains may absorb heat and disarrange the previously stored data.  It's entirely plausible that the ordered structure of memories and data storage would trace backwards - even if you were knowingly perceiving eggs reassembling and cream separating out - it's not necessarily the case that you would be walking backwards and speaking in reverse the exact things you said and did in the moments prior, but you well might be losing knowledge of the "future" as the entropy of 'you' decreases.  In this way it's perfectly possible that we jump around in time all the time.  We just can't ever remember the future.       

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Posted : 13/12/2017 8:28 pm
(@pred80r)
Roadhouse Regular

Maybe it is just a simple case of LYNCH wrote and directed the show, no one else really knows what is transpiring so his version is the most clear and concise since his memory is of EVERYTHING that transpired.  Of course I just Transcribed that LYNCH was the GOD of the Twin Peaks world(s) but you know what, that feels pretty close to correct...

Jack

 

 

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Posted : 15/12/2017 5:30 pm
(@b-randy)
Chief Moderator
Posted by: Jack Dean

Maybe it is just a simple case of LYNCH wrote and directed the show, no one else really knows what is transpiring so his version is the most clear and concise since his memory is of EVERYTHING that transpired.  Of course I just Transcribed that LYNCH was the GOD of the Twin Peaks world(s) but you know what, that feels pretty close to correct...

Jack

 

 

One of the better ideas I've heard.

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Posted : 15/12/2017 5:37 pm
(@b-randy)
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Posted by: Joseph McMurty

 

As I like to read quantum physics books in my spare time,

Ummmmmm, I like to read Sci fi and fantasy in my spare time........................

Me feel dumb

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Posted : 15/12/2017 5:40 pm
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