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Sarah Palmer's alcoholism and reality fluctuations  

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(@myn0k)
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Sorry if this has already been mentioned and covered, but I was re reading the last chapter of the Final Dossier, the point at which reality starts shifting for Tammy.

In it, she mentions that Sarah Palmer suffered from alcoholism and prescription medication addiction once Leland shoots himself. Tammy specifically says that the following happens in the reality in which Laura disappeared (not murdered):

1 - Sarah Palmer suffered from alcoholism. 

2 - She is questioned following an incident in which a trucker's jugular was ripped out .

 

This to me clearly establishes that the scenes in which Sarah Palmer is seen in The Return are predominantly (if not all) set FOLLOWING Cooper meddling with time/Laura's murder, rather in the reality in which Laura was murdered (original series).

Apologies if this is all old news. I've been away from twin peaks for a while 😀

This topic was modified 3 months  ago by Myn0k
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Posted : 05/08/2018 8:02 am Brandy Fisher liked
(@myn0k)
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Just to add more food for thought:

Sarah Palmer says to Hawk "it's a goddam bad story". I feel like she may be referencing the false reality they're in (people living in a dream, mostly unaware it isn't real) .

The other person who mentions a "story" is of course Charlie, suggesting that the story (reality) fluctuations are known to some, potentially easily changed by those who can see the falseness of it. 

Just waxing lyrical!

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Posted : 05/08/2018 8:12 am Brandy Fisher liked
(@b-randy)
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Good catch! I hadn't even thought about that.

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Posted : 05/08/2018 5:19 pm
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I like it!

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Posted : 06/08/2018 4:12 am
(@carnifex)
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That does make a lot of sense. 

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Posted : 06/08/2018 10:19 am
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However, it is possible that Sarah walked the same path in both timelines.

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Posted : 06/08/2018 10:55 am Myn0k liked
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Yeah, I think it is possible that the same thing happens in both timelines. One way of reading the books in relation to the show is to note that the inconsistencies or whatever we want to call them tend to be small.

Alternately, you could be right that what we are seeing is in the timeline where Laura disappeared.

Gisela explores this stuff at some length in this piece, which you reminded me of. It's a good one. I searched it out just to provide the link, really, but I found myself reading the whole thing again.

Do You Really Want To Fuck With This? The Alternative Timeline Of Sarah Palmer

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Posted : 06/08/2018 5:28 pm Chris Flackett liked
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I certainly wouldn't mess with either Sarah,   I'd prefer to live!

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Posted : 06/08/2018 10:45 pm
(@myn0k)
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Posted by: Cæmeron Crain

Yeah, I think it is possible that the same thing happens in both timelines. One way of reading the books in relation to the show is to note that the inconsistencies or whatever we want to call them tend to be small.

Alternately, you could be right that what we are seeing is in the timeline where Laura disappeared.

Gisela explores this stuff at some length in this piece, which you reminded me of. It's a good one. I searched it out just to provide the link, really, but I found myself reading the whole thing again.

Do You Really Want To Fuck With This? The Alternative Timeline Of Sarah Palmer

Great article, thanks for sharing!

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Posted : 07/08/2018 1:47 pm Cæmeron Crain liked
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That is a good article, I remember reading it at the time it was published. Will have to give it another read, one of the better articles on a website that tends to have great quality anyway.

In terms of the end of the dossier in relation to the TV show; since reading the dossier last November, I've since been under the impression that what we're seeing in The Return is a kind of in between space - a kind of stopover compromise timeline between what was and what is to change. If we are to take it that the timeline changes, we can also assume that this is not an instant change. Tammy can remember the 'original' chain of events, even if the memory is fading. It suggests that in the change of the timeline from one state to the other, there is a inbetween state (perhaps lasting a few days) where things from both timelines bleed into each other, creating inconsistencies in events occuring, and that is the timeline I think we see when we watch the show - the halfway point between one and the other where time overlaps. It would certainly explain things like the patrons of the Double R moving around, Ed's reflection in the glass, Bobby's comments in the diner regarding seeing his mother/finding his Dad's message.

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Posted : 13/08/2018 3:35 am Myn0k and Cæmeron Crain liked
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Posted by: Chris Flackett

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In terms of the end of the dossier in relation to the TV show; since reading the dossier last November, I've since been under the impression that what we're seeing in The Return is a kind of in between space - a kind of stopover compromise timeline between what was and what is to change. If we are to take it that the timeline changes, we can also assume that this is not an instant change. Tammy can remember the 'original' chain of events, even if the memory is fading. It suggests that in the change of the timeline from one state to the other, there is a inbetween state (perhaps lasting a few days) where things from both timelines bleed into each other, creating inconsistencies in events occuring, and that is the timeline I think we see when we watch the show - the halfway point between one and the other where time overlaps. It would certainly explain things like the patrons of the Double R moving around, Ed's reflection in the glass, Bobby's comments in the diner regarding seeing his mother/finding his Dad's message.

Now, that's a theory I can go with!

Particularly as I have just finished re watching episode 16. When Audrey is doing her dance, those two guys fight. It's basically exactly the same as the fight between James and Chuck. Just with different people. Like "a compromise" as you say. 

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Posted : 13/09/2018 4:01 pm Chris Flackett liked
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