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Let me say first that I love The Final Dossier. It was a much needed dose of TP's for those of us going through withdrawal after Season 3 wrapped up. In fact, I was surprised to see that it even extended the story ever so slightly in some areas beyond the series. Well, there are a lot of things to like about it but that's not the reason for my post.

Leo Johnson.

It's the first entry and while Albert's autopsy report is informative and hilarious, I have to say I don't understand why Frost has Earle finishing Leo off with gunshots. It certainly doesn't appear likely from what we see in the episode, where Earle clearly leaves Leo to the mercy of the spider cage. I suppose, Frost is trying to fix the silliness of tarantulas being a threat to Leo, but it only makes it worse when he has Albert write that Earle is too stupid to know that tarantulas aren't lethally poisonous.  First off, Earle was brilliant and that particular piece of knowledge about tarantulas is fairly common. Not to mention, even if Earle didn't know this, he surely would have researched it ever so briefly before constructing his death-trap-cage. So the whole premise doesn't work for me.

It seems like there would have been a better way to handle Leo's demise. But, does it really matter? No, of course. Just a curiosity at the end of the day. 

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Posted : 09/11/2017 9:52 am
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Posted by: ArtamisBGone

Let me say first that I love The Final Dossier. It was a much needed dose of TP's for those of us going through withdrawal after Season 3 wrapped up. In fact, I was surprised to see that it even extended the story ever so slightly in some areas beyond the series. Well, there are a lot of things to like about it but that's not the reason for my post.

Leo Johnson.

It's the first entry and while Albert's autopsy report is informative and hilarious, I have to say I don't understand why Frost has Earle finishing Leo off with gunshots. It certainly doesn't appear likely from what we see in the episode, where Earle clearly leaves Leo to the mercy of the spider cage. I suppose, Frost is trying to fix the silliness of tarantulas being a threat to Leo, but it only makes it worse when he has Albert write that Earle is too stupid to know that tarantulas aren't lethally poisonous.  First off, Earle was brilliant and that particular piece of knowledge about tarantulas is fairly common. Not to mention, even if Earle didn't know this, he surely would have researched it ever so briefly before constructing his death-trap-cage. So the whole premise doesn't work for me.

It seems like there would have been a better way to handle Leo's demise. But, does it really matter? No, of course. Just a curiosity at the end of the day. 

Hi ArtBGone,

Don't forget that the identity of Leo's killer is only Albert's opinion.  Albert most likely had no idea of the timeline for Earle's last day in this dimension.

After leaving Leo, literally, in suspense in the cabin, here is how Earle's last day, was spent - according to twinpeaks.wikia.com:

QUOTE

He went to the Miss Twin Peaks contest, disguised as the Log Lady. When Bobby Briggs approached him, Windom knocked him out with a log. He went up to the lighting catwalk as Annie Blackburn delivered her speech.

After Annie was announced as the winner, Windom shut off the lights and turned on strobes as he began to set off smoke bombs, one going off directly in front of Cooper. He then pulled Annie off of the stage with a chloroform rag and stole Pete Martell's truck.

Earle took Annie to Glastonbury Grove, commenting that he liked the fear she was expressing. He took her to the circle of Sycamore trees, where she became hypnotized and he led her into the Black Lodge.

In the Lodge, he appeared to Cooper. Annie appeared and disappeared. Windom then laughed, saying she would live if Dale gave up his soul. He said he would and Earle stabbed him. This was quickly reversed and BOB appeared, saying he could not ask for Cooper's soul, then took Earle's.

ENDQUOTE

So, Earle really didn't have the opportunity to shoot Leo.

BUT, there is "someone [else] with a low pulse and nifty marksmanship skills" who would "set his feet Bureau style" before shooting.  And that person is:

Mr.C!!  =:-O

😉

- /< /\ /> -

That's strange - even for Cooper

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Posted : 09/11/2017 11:52 am
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I actually considered Mr C, but dismissed it almost immediately:

1 - Mr C was first in the hospital, visiting Audrey, maybe even Annie, then off to see Diane and disappear into the world.

2 - Mr C would have to know where Earle's hideout was located

3 - Mr C would have to know that Leo was in Earle's hideout.

4 - Mr C would have to actually care one way or the other that Leo would survive (and I can't imagine why he would care either way).

So the mystery remains . . .

 

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Posted : 09/11/2017 1:45 pm
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Hi ArtBGone,
 
Posted by: ArtamisBGone

I actually considered Mr C, but dismissed it almost immediately:

1 - Mr C was first in the hospital, visiting Audrey, maybe even Annie, then off to see Diane and disappear into the world.

Yes, but how do you know that he didn't go to Windom's cabin after he left the hospital?  See below.

 

2 - Mr C would have to know where Earle's hideout was located

3 - Mr C would have to know that Leo was in Earle's hideout.

4 - Mr C would have to actually care one way or the other that Leo would survive (and I can't imagine why he would care either way).

Don't forget that BOB had absorbed Earle's soul.  So, in a similar way that Mr. C had all of Cooper's memories, BOB would have had all of Earle's.  

So, BOB, now in Mr. C, would know that Earle had kidnapped Briggs, and that Briggs had spent some time alone with Leo.  There would be the possibility that Leo knew something that Earle didn't.  Hence, the visit to the cabin by Mr. C - to find out what Leo knew.

And, of course, it's not much of a stretch to imagine Mr. C killing Leo just for fun, or for no reason at all.  😉

Besides, unless you disagree with the timeline for Earle given in the Twin Peaks wiki, Earle couldn't have killed Leo.  And, of course, that timeline was what was shown in the show.

So, if you don't like Mr. C for the murder, who's your main suspect?  😉

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That's strange - even for Cooper

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Posted : 09/11/2017 3:37 pm
(@caemeron)
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Agreed that it had to have been Mr C. Also agreed that it doesn't really make sense that he would care about doing that, though. Except that he does seem to have MO - modus operandi - of killing all loose ends. So, I guess.

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Posted : 10/11/2017 12:11 am
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There is also a list of at least half a dozen people (or more) who would have been happy to see Leo dead and been even happier to kill them himself. The mystery of who killed Leo Johnson is more convoluted than the original mystery of who killed Laura Palmer.

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Posted : 10/11/2017 10:16 am
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Posted by: Brandy Fisher

There is also a list of at least half a dozen people (or more) who would have been happy to see Leo dead and been even happier to kill them himself. The mystery of who killed Leo Johnson is more convoluted than the original mystery of who killed Laura Palmer.

Perhaps who killed Leo Johnson can be the foundation for season 4. They could even give Waldo the back story and character development he deserved. 

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Posted : 10/11/2017 12:47 pm
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Posted by: Caoimhín Shirey
Posted by: Brandy Fisher

There is also a list of at least half a dozen people (or more) who would have been happy to see Leo dead and been even happier to kill them himself. The mystery of who killed Leo Johnson is more convoluted than the original mystery of who killed Laura Palmer.

Perhaps who killed Leo Johnson can be the foundation for season 4. They could even give Waldo the back story and character development he deserved. 

Waldo was definitely an underrated and unsung hero who never got the screen time he deserved. How many secrets did he hold in his little bird brain? I bet he had all the answers we have been seeking but stupid Leo robbed us all of this priceless information as well as the chance to know little Waldo in his infinite glory.

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Posted : 10/11/2017 8:46 pm
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My big question here (aside from what other secrets did Waldo hold) is WHY would Mr C care or bother or give the slightest $#!t about Leo Johnson and his existence or non-existence?

We already know Mr C does not need, only wants. Why would he have wanted to hunt Leo down and mess up his his groovy hairdo or tarnish his stylin hair clip over a pissant like Leo. My money is on........pretty much ANY body else in the town.  It's not like Leo had lots of admirers.

And while we're on the subject of nasty baddies and their deep forest pastimes, why not nominate Sarah? She clearly takes issue with unpleasant people who treat women badly. Maybe Leo interrupted her cocktail hour and called her the C word.....

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Posted : 10/11/2017 8:56 pm
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Posted by: Brandy Fisher

We already know Mr C does not need, only wants. Why would he have wanted to hunt Leo down and mess up his his groovy hairdo or tarnish his stylin hair clip over a pissant like Leo. My money is on........pretty much ANY body else in the town.  It's not like Leo had lots of admirers.

Maybe the shoes store owner.

Leo never paid his new shoes to the guy

Don't mess with this man, or  you can hop out of town with his boot in your ass (or some bullets in the chest).

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Posted : 11/11/2017 4:10 am
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Posted by: Lucas Bracci
Posted by: Brandy Fisher

We already know Mr C does not need, only wants. Why would he have wanted to hunt Leo down and mess up his his groovy hairdo or tarnish his stylin hair clip over a pissant like Leo. My money is on........pretty much ANY body else in the town.  It's not like Leo had lots of admirers.

Maybe the shoes store owner.

Leo never paid his new shoes to the guy

Don't mess with this man, or  you can hop out of town with his boot in your ass (or some bullets in the chest).

Indeed! Or maybe the veterinarian.

Or maybe anybody who's met Leo ever. 

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Posted : 11/11/2017 10:52 am
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Posted by: Brandy Fisher

My big question here (aside from what other secrets did Waldo hold) is WHY would Mr C care or bother or give the slightest $#!t about Leo Johnson and his existence or non-existence?

Hi Brandy,

Because Windom Earle had kidnapped Briggs and left him alone with Leo.  Leo even helped him escape.  Don't forget, Mr. C was very interested in Brigg's whereabouts. 

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That's strange - even for Cooper

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Posted : 11/11/2017 11:30 am
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Posted by: Caoimhín Shirey
Posted by: Brandy Fisher

There is also a list of at least half a dozen people (or more) who would have been happy to see Leo dead and been even happier to kill them himself. The mystery of who killed Leo Johnson is more convoluted than the original mystery of who killed Laura Palmer.

Perhaps who killed Leo Johnson can be the foundation for season 4. They could even give Waldo the back story and character development he deserved. 

Hi Caoimhín

Hey!  Waldo might still be alive in the new timeline.  You know, the one where Laura is now [I] Carrie [the missing] Page.  

Come to think of it, so might Leo.  =:-O

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That's strange - even for Cooper

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Posted : 11/11/2017 11:41 am
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Posted by: Ric Bissell
Posted by: Caoimhín Shirey
Posted by: Brandy Fisher

There is also a list of at least half a dozen people (or more) who would have been happy to see Leo dead and been even happier to kill them himself. The mystery of who killed Leo Johnson is more convoluted than the original mystery of who killed Laura Palmer.

Perhaps who killed Leo Johnson can be the foundation for season 4. They could even give Waldo the back story and character development he deserved. 

Hi Caoimhín

Hey!  Waldo might still be alive in the new timeline.  You know, the one where Laura is now [I] Carrie [the missing] Page.  

Come to think of it, so might Leo.  =:-O

😉

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Oh crap, you're right! Leo lives!!!!

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Posted : 11/11/2017 5:14 pm
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Posted by: Ric Bissell
Posted by: Caoimhín Shirey
Posted by: Brandy Fisher

There is also a list of at least half a dozen people (or more) who would have been happy to see Leo dead and been even happier to kill them himself. The mystery of who killed Leo Johnson is more convoluted than the original mystery of who killed Laura Palmer.

Perhaps who killed Leo Johnson can be the foundation for season 4. They could even give Waldo the back story and character development he deserved. 

Hi Caoimhín

Hey!  Waldo might still be alive in the new timeline.  You know, the one where Laura is now [I] Carrie [the missing] Page.  

Come to think of it, so might Leo.  =:-O

😉

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Carrie Page - that's brilliant. This must be the "missing Page" from the diary pages Hawk found in the toilet door. Never made that connection before. Fantastic !

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Posted : 11/11/2017 6:12 pm
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