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(@arcadesonfire)
Roadhouse Regular

 Holy cow! Whilst stuck on a treadmill yesterday and listening to an album that can keep me going, I was struck by the lyrics of Ozzy Osbourne's ode to the man whose "sex magik" ritual has been proposed as an explanation for the Diane/Cooper sex scene. In the song "Mr. Crowley," Ozzy sings,

"Mr. Crowley, won't you ride my white horse?
Mr. Crowley, it's symbolic, of course"

Wow! I have no idea at all if Frost or Lynch knew of and intended this connection, but we can see a few other lines in the song that we can interpret as being about Cooper:

"Oh, Mr. Crowley, did you talk to the dead?
Your life style to me seemed so tragic"

"Mr. Alarming, in nocturnal rapport
Uncovering things that were sacred
Manifest on this Earth"

I'll say it again, "The Return" is a real rorschach test (one thing that makes it so great), and we can probably find all kinds of unintended connections. Here's another one about song lyrics: Lyrics for the tune "Take Five" (which is, to my knowledge, the only jazz standard we ever hear in the show) include the line "You could offer a light." Hmmmm, gotta light??

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Posted : 17/01/2018 12:45 pm Chris Flackett and Julie Loader liked
(@pred80r)
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OMG, you really hit home with this one.  Randy is my favorite guitarist of all time, and for good reason, just watch this live performance, which is clearly different than the album but great in it's own right.

I was always under the impression that the white horse was heroin, which could exactly be what Leland was injecting Sarah with.  Of course David would be referring to musical impressions of his past...

Jack

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Posted : 17/01/2018 1:17 pm Chris Flackett liked
(@pred80r)
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And Btw, equating LaVey and Crowley mysticism to Twin Peaks is on the road to genius...I am doing this in my new writings, but I am not a writer so what do I know?

I only know that I lived in the area during the popularity of this song along with all of OZZY's other songs, Iron Maiden from the "Number of the Beast" onwards and Black Sabbaths "Heaven and Hell."  It is all clearly defined by my theory on Twin Peaks somewhere here on this site...

All of it is too odd of a coincidence for me, between the show. the music and the situations I lived through in Bremerton, my research into the Green River Murderer and the time period...none of it seemed coincidental.

Jack

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Posted : 17/01/2018 4:16 pm
(@chris_flackett)
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It is a nice little coincidence, for sure. Randy was great, wasn't he? My dad got to see him play on the Blizzard of Oz tour on Stoke-on-Trent, England, in this little concert hall. Jealous? Me? 😂

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Posted : 17/01/2018 4:31 pm
(@b-randy)
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Side note:  Does anyone else giggle at the at the notion of David Lynch rockin out to Ozzy and/or Black Sabbath?

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Posted : 17/01/2018 4:33 pm
(@pred80r)
Roadhouse Regular

I would definitely be interested on his feelings about both bands...not sure I want to seem him banging his head next to me at a concert, that is kind of like watching your dad sing the lyrics to AC/DC...

Jack

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Posted : 17/01/2018 7:04 pm Brandy Fisher liked
(@caemeron)
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It is hard to think of a symbol with more potential resonances/interpretations than the white horse. It is slang for heroin, of course, which fits well enough with Twin Peaks. But also:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_horse_(mythology)

The most direct connection I found to Crowley was this (fingers crossed on the link working):  https://books.google.com/books?id=TYoyDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA182&lpg=PA182&dq=white+horse+crowley&source=bl&ots=p_WeQcf3fq&sig=yzwNCHitRuEu8w52yr14AaEA9hg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwipqtjHg-LYAhWPyVMKHf8OCJI4ChDoAQhcMA0#v=onepage&q=white%20horse%20crowley&f=false

If the link doesn't work, it is about the Knight of Cups tarot card in Crowley's Thoth tarot (I am by no means an expert as to what that means). It lists white horse and sea as symbols for the Knight of Cups, and Lord of the Waves and Waters as an Original Title. Something interesting to think about.

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Posted : 18/01/2018 12:36 pm Chris Flackett liked
(@pred80r)
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Was it mentioned here anywhere that Season 3 begins and ends with Sex Magik?  

Another in a long line of coincidences...

Jack

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Posted : 19/01/2018 1:22 pm
(@caemeron)
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Posted by: Jack Dean

Was it mentioned here anywhere that Season 3 begins and ends with Sex Magik?  

Another in a long line of coincidences...

Jack

Yeah, if you view both instances as such, which I probably do. There is the question of the relation between the glass box Experiment and Judy, but it seems to me that they are one and the same at least in some sense. So, we could view Sam and Tracy as magick to summon and then maybe Coop and Diane as trying to... um... I'm still not sure what the plan was here 🙂

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Posted : 19/01/2018 2:05 pm Brandy Fisher liked
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Posted by: Cæmeron Crain
Posted by: Jack Dean

Was it mentioned here anywhere that Season 3 begins and ends with Sex Magik?  

Another in a long line of coincidences...

Jack

Yeah, if you view both instances as such, which I probably do. There is the question of the relation between the glass box Experiment and Judy, but it seems to me that they are one and the same at least in some sense. So, we could view Sam and Tracy as magick to summon and then maybe Coop and Diane as trying to... um... I'm still not sure what the plan was here 🙂

I think Cooper/Diane or Richard/Linda were trying to mend the space time continuum that was broken in 1989 by Cooper.  Not sure I buy it as a whole, seems a bit more confusing than intentional but hey, Lynch got to see his Muses naked once again so there was that...

Jack

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Posted : 19/01/2018 4:46 pm Brandy Fisher liked
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In the Puranas, one of the precious objects that emerged while the devas and demons were churning the milky ocean was Uchaishravas, a snow-white horse with seven heads.[10] (A white horse of the sun is sometimes also mentioned as emerging separately).[11] Uchaishravas was at times ridden by Indra, lord of the devas. Indra is depicted as having a liking for white horses in several legends – he often steals the sacrificial horse to the consternation of all involved, such as in the story of Sagara,[12] or the story of King Prithu.[13]

The chariot of the solar deity Surya is drawn by seven horses, alternately described as all white, or as the colours of the rainbow.'

Just worth noting Cooper worked for Lucky 7 Insurance AND the motel room him and Diane had sex in was number 7.

To the guy who asked what Diane/Coop were doing; I'm pretty sure the motel was some form of dimension through which you could access other dimensions, and the sex served two purposes. One, it transported them to that dimension. Two, it drew Judy into that dimension after them, like Tracy/Sam drew Judy (the experiment) originally.

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Posted : 20/01/2018 12:22 pm
(@caemeron)
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Posted by: Joshua Moulinie

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In the Puranas, one of the precious objects that emerged while the devas and demons were churning the milky ocean was Uchaishravas, a snow-white horse with seven heads.[10] (A white horse of the sun is sometimes also mentioned as emerging separately).[11] Uchaishravas was at times ridden by Indra, lord of the devas. Indra is depicted as having a liking for white horses in several legends – he often steals the sacrificial horse to the consternation of all involved, such as in the story of Sagara,[12] or the story of King Prithu.[13]

The chariot of the solar deity Surya is drawn by seven horses, alternately described as all white, or as the colours of the rainbow.'

Just worth noting Cooper worked for Lucky 7 Insurance AND the motel room him and Diane had sex in was number 7.

To the guy who asked what Diane/Coop were doing; I'm pretty sure the motel was some form of dimension through which you could access other dimensions, and the sex served two purposes. One, it transported them to that dimension. Two, it drew Judy into that dimension after them, like Tracy/Sam drew Judy (the experiment) originally.

Yeah, I mean, I have been thinking something like that, but I am not sure how much evidence there really is for it. And if the purpose involved drawing Judy into that dimension as well, did it work? I have generally been more of the mind that whatever Cooper was trying to do in Parts 17 and 18 stemmed from hubris on his part, and was ultimately a tragic failure. But the interpretational door is pretty wide open.

Interesting connection to the Puranas. And there were definitely even more 7s than you mentioned, though I struggle to think of them all off the top of my head. 

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Posted : 20/01/2018 4:04 pm
(@dobbshead)
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Now I'm trying to remember if the Dougie/Janey-E sex scene was significant.  Why was it included?  Was it just to walk us down the path of Janey-E falling back in love with Dougie as an 'asleep' Cooper?  Or was it sex magik in an opposite ceremony summoning something more positive?  Nothing comes to mind. 

And while mentioning it, I still have trouble understanding the 'doofus' Dougie as a character.  I mean, he dominated the show and still, what the hell is that condition supposed to allude to?  Is it irony that he succeeds where original Dougie fails? Or is it a transcendental consciousness reference? Or what?

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Posted : 20/01/2018 5:43 pm
(@caemeron)
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Posted by: Joseph McMurty

Now I'm trying to remember if the Dougie/Janey-E sex scene was significant.  Why was it included?  Was it just to walk us down the path of Janey-E falling back in love with Dougie as an 'asleep' Cooper?  Or was it sex magik in an opposite ceremony summoning something more positive?  Nothing comes to mind. 

And while mentioning it, I still have trouble understanding the 'doofus' Dougie as a character.  I mean, he dominated the show and still, what the hell is that condition supposed to allude to?  Is it irony that he succeeds where original Dougie fails? Or is it a transcendental consciousness reference? Or what?

I never thought of that scene with Janey-E as sex magick. Maybe something interesting to think about, I guess, but I think it was more along the lines of what you said. 

And, so, I would separate your second question into two. One is, why is DougieCoop so damn blessed? From the dropping of the key to the jackpots, and everything else, really.

The other is about how we are supposed to take this. I mean, at one level, it is about Cooper, and what does and does not come through when he takes the OGD's place. Here, I get stuck on the way the American Girl's watch reads October 1st and so on...

But, I think you are asking at the other level. I think that might be best approached in terms of buddhist notions of sunyata, or being present in the now. Or, yeah, maybe transcendental mediation. Or, this:

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Posted : 20/01/2018 11:31 pm cyndeewillow and Joseph McMurty liked
(@dobbshead)
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YouTube gibroni has a solid perspective.   I can't say I'm totally done thinking about it, but that's not half bad.  Many thanks.    

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Posted : 20/01/2018 11:59 pm
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