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FWWM: some observations/thoughts after re watching  

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(@myn0k)
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Just a few observations and musings that may or may not be accurate. Sure other people have probably spotted them in the past or considered them. 

1 - spotted what appeared to be the word/name Red on a note pinned to carl Rodd's door. Will have to go back and see what the note actually says. 

2 - numerical numbers (6, 7, etc) appearing in order. First on the telegraph pole before Chet disappears. Then 7 as soon as Bowie appears. Other numbers seem to appear after. 

3 - Carl Rodd says (paraphrase) "I don't want to move anywhere else. I've already traveled a lot.". I interpreted this funnily enough that he has jumped reality. It's not his world. And he is aware of this".

4 - Laura has a happy ending/conclusion, with cooper in agreement. This is juxtaposed to Cooper's ending in season 3, where he has undone it with his meddling.

5 - I question now if Leland truly was innocent. I even wondered if maybe Bob was the positive influence because he loved Laura. Just waxing lyrical there. 

6 - after the Roadhouse orgy-type scene, the camera cuts to a load of cigarettes on the floor. To me this suggests that the season 3 floor sweeping scene is simply saying that the same type of evenings still take place. With the other Renault brother talking about a girl just prior to that scene in season 3, things don't tend to change much in twin peaks. 

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Posted : 11/08/2018 6:26 pm
(@caemeron)
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Definitely fascinated by (1) - if there is a note with word 'red' or signed by Red, that would be something interesting to think about

(3) As I recall Carl Rodd says he has "already been places" and the way it's done has always made me think he meant the Lodge or something like that - is there a musical cue/sound of some kind as well?

(5) I never thought Leland was innocent, but in light of S3 I now further tend to think that what BOB does exacerbate the desires of host, or something like that. Leland wanted to have sex with his daughter, Cooper wanted to find Judy...

6) I think you are right, but also isn't the Pink Room scene upstairs? (Welcome to Canada)

You've definitely got me thinking I should watch the film again. Last time I did was a little over a year ago.

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Posted : 11/08/2018 6:56 pm
(@carnifex)
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Regarding number five,   I'll just have to say I don't think so.    According to Gerard/Mike,   Bob was a murderous so and so from way back,   and I don't believe he could have ever been a positive influence.     I think he saw a weakness in Leland as a child,   entered and exploited him,   and simply enjoyed his passenger.       Now,   Bob certainly could have augmented that weakness,    but I think there had to be something there for him to work with at first.

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Posted : 11/08/2018 8:28 pm
(@lucas_bracci)
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Posted by: Myn0k

1 - spotted what appeared to be the word/name Red on a note pinned to carl Rodd's door. Will have to go back and see what the note actually says. 

The door is like a table of complaints to the owner, apparently nicknamed "Rod" by the people of the trailer park.

When the feds are in front of the door, the "O" of Rod is just poorly written on the cardboard piece.

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Posted : 12/08/2018 3:48 am
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Posted by: Lucas Bracci
Posted by: Myn0k

1 - spotted what appeared to be the word/name Red on a note pinned to carl Rodd's door. Will have to go back and see what the note actually says. 

The door is like a table of complaints to the owner, apparently nicknamed "Rod" by the people of the trailer park.

When the feds are in front of the door, the "O" of Rod is just poorly written on the cardboard piece.

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Thank you for sharing this! That's a shame about it being Rod and not Red 🙂

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Posted : 12/08/2018 4:17 am
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Posted by: Myn0k

6 - after the Roadhouse orgy-type scene, the camera cuts to a load of cigarettes on the floor. To me this suggests that the season 3 floor sweeping scene is simply saying that the same type of evenings still take place. With the other Renault brother talking about a girl just prior to that scene in season 3, things don't tend to change much in twin peaks. 

Good point.

There are many cigarettes butts on the floor.

And a couple of empty beer bottles.

With a red R. on the  standing one with the label face to the camera (for not being missed on the screen).

R is for Rainier beer, a Seattle brand, and it was also the letter found under Laura's finger.

 

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Posted : 12/08/2018 5:48 am Myn0k liked
(@laurasfingernail)
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It confirms in the dossier that Carl 'disappeared' with Margaret (Log Lady) from the woods, when they were children. Perhaps that was enough travel!

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Posted : 12/08/2018 10:50 am
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3- If I recall correctly, Frost's TSHOTP states that, when he was kid, Carl (together with Margaret and another boy) went trough some sort of abduction. They went missing overnight while taking a walk in the woods.

Since TSHOTP was obviously written after FWWM, Frost could have had Rodd's "already been places" line in mind when he created the abduction plot.

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Posted : 12/08/2018 3:31 pm Chris Flackett, Cæmeron Crain and Myn0k liked
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Posted by: OctavioLemos

3- If I recall correctly, Frost's TSHOTP states that, when he was kid, Carl (together with Margaret and another boy) went trough some sort of abduction. They went missing overnight while taking a walk in the woods.

Since TSHOTP was obviously written after FWWM, Frost could have had Rodd's "already been places" line in mind when he created the abduction plot.

What I like about this is that Frost really engaged with FWWM rather than dismissed it, as he could have done, what with not being originally involved with that.

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Posted : 13/08/2018 4:25 am
(@octaviolemos)
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Posted by: Chris Flackett
Posted by: OctavioLemos

3- If I recall correctly, Frost's TSHOTP states that, when he was kid, Carl (together with Margaret and another boy) went trough some sort of abduction. They went missing overnight while taking a walk in the woods.

Since TSHOTP was obviously written after FWWM, Frost could have had Rodd's "already been places" line in mind when he created the abduction plot.

What I like about this is that Frost really engaged with FWWM rather than dismissed it, as he could have done, what with not being originally involved with that.

I couldn't agree more. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Carl was not even in the original show, so he's basically a "Lynch character".

To me, one of the most fascinating things about the making/writing  of TR is how Lynch managed to keep relevant most of his contributions to the original show, while he was making somehow irrelevant (non-existant if you like) most of the stuff he had nothing to do with  (and I bet he hated most of it). He also made FWWM crucial to the understanding of TR and managed to engage Frost with (t)his line of thought.

It's even surprising how they didn't name it "Twin Peaks - The Revenge" instead of "The Return".😉

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Posted : 13/08/2018 7:17 am Myn0k liked
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Posted by: Chris Flackett
Posted by: OctavioLemos

3- If I recall correctly, Frost's TSHOTP states that, when he was kid, Carl (together with Margaret and another boy) went trough some sort of abduction. They went missing overnight while taking a walk in the woods.

Since TSHOTP was obviously written after FWWM, Frost could have had Rodd's "already been places" line in mind when he created the abduction plot.

What I like about this is that Frost really engaged with FWWM rather than dismissed it, as he could have done, what with not being originally involved with that.

This article makes things even more interesting :

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/08/how-twin-peaks-birthed-a-cottage-industry-of-obsessive-fans/amp?__twitter_impression=true

Frost talks about creative differences with Lynch and he admits that he declined working in FWWM since he didn't like the direction Lynch was taking.

 

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