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(@carnifex)
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Yeah you're onto something there,   in that context the whole "American Girl" part makes a lot more sense.

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Posted : 18/06/2018 10:58 pm
(@b-randy)
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Posted by: Joseph McMurty

I wonder if American Girl has something to do with Ronette's story being un-did. 

   

Well, if Leland showed up to get Laura and found that she wasn't there, would he have just killed Ronette as a parting gift to himself?

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Posted : 18/06/2018 11:15 pm
(@julie_loader)
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Posted by: Joseph McMurty

I wonder if American Girl has something to do with Ronette's story being un-did. 

   

Why then would she be in the mauve room?

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Posted : 19/06/2018 1:51 am
(@dobbshead)
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I'll say what I was thinking.  I often think of the show as if it really were a dream and what it would mean if I had dreamed it. 

I was thinking that maybe Ronette no longer stood out as remarkable since she is no longer a victim. Her story flickers from memory, and she's now just any regular American Girl.  Her life was not punctuated in that moment.  Just an uncredited bystander.      

Even though her official timeline was changed, maybe if someone sees Bob, himself a creature outside of time and place, it gives them a permanent reservation in the Lodge Realm.  The part of this regular American Girl that fractured off and remembers the unofficial version has only there to reside.   She is a lost relic at the crossroads where Bob and Judy remember her, but she herself, this American Girl we never knew, no longer does remember.  Bob's (and our) memory of her gives her an existence, a physical form, but not in the real world.  Her 'mother' then would be the trauma, or the erasure - or simply she is the harvested Garmonbozia that cannot be un-did.    

I won't argue that to be correct, evidence based, or even relevant.  But it's good that the show nudges you towards ideas you might never have chanced upon. 

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Posted : 19/06/2018 2:56 am
(@brian_hardin_ii)
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I'm not really sure that Ronette's tale was undid.  In the woods, Cooper holds Laura's hand and that makes it to where she does not exit the woods to where Jacque, Leo, and Ronette were waiting.  I kinda figure they still go off to the cabin but without Laura.

It's possible that events unfold a little differently, but I can't see it changing too much.

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Posted : 19/06/2018 11:14 am
(@brian_hardin_ii)
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wow.. okay.. how's this...

I just read:

"My take is that in Cooper's subconscious, Ronette is associated with Diane (via Naido) due to the rapes they both endured. In both cases, Bob played a role (inhabiting Leland and then Mr. C). The difference is, Ronette was able to see Bob's real face.. that's why American Girl can see. Diane, on the other hand, did not see Bob.. that's why Naido is blind."

This kindav makes sense!

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Posted : 19/06/2018 11:19 am
(@b-randy)
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Posted by: Brian Hardin II

I'm not really sure that Ronette's tale was undid.  In the woods, Cooper holds Laura's hand and that makes it to where she does not exit the woods to where Jacque, Leo, and Ronette were waiting.  I kinda figure they still go off to the cabin but without Laura.

It's possible that events unfold a little differently, but I can't see it changing too much.

That's basically what I'm thinking and then Leland/BOB killed Ronette instead of Laura.  He was intending to kill her anyway except that the angel and MIKE kind showed up and intervened. But if Laura was never there Ronette probably would have been the victim. 

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Posted : 19/06/2018 12:21 pm
(@lucas_bracci)
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Not from The Return but from The Final Dossier :

I started to examine the public records on the rest of the Palmer family.
Their daughter’s disappearance dominated the local news for weeks.
The same set of suspects was identified and questioned—Jacques Renault, Leo Johnson, Bobby Briggs, James Hurley—as those who were known to have been among the last to see her.
No useful information came from them, and no arrests were initially made.
The next day, Ronette Pulaski—the girl who was abducted and nearly killed along with Laura, and who had apparently still been taken captive—escaped and ended up in the hospital after being found wandering along a railroad trestle, just like “before.”
But she also testified that Laura had wandered off into the woods before she and Leo and Jacques entered the railroad car.

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Posted : 19/06/2018 12:37 pm
(@b-randy)
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Damn you and your evidence.

So here's one more thing to show that Coopers choice really didn't fix anything. Almost all the same things happened.

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Posted : 19/06/2018 12:44 pm
(@brian_hardin_ii)
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Posted by: Lucas Bracci

Not from The Return but from The Final Dossier :

I started to examine the public records on the rest of the Palmer family.
Their daughter’s disappearance dominated the local news for weeks.
The same set of suspects was identified and questioned—Jacques Renault, Leo Johnson, Bobby Briggs, James Hurley—as those who were known to have been among the last to see her.
No useful information came from them, and no arrests were initially made.
The next day, Ronette Pulaski—the girl who was abducted and nearly killed along with Laura, and who had apparently still been taken captive—escaped and ended up in the hospital after being found wandering along a railroad trestle, just like “before.”
But she also testified that Laura had wandered off into the woods before she and Leo and Jacques entered the railroad car.

Woah..  Wait a moment...   Okay so this is odd..

In FWWM Leo and Jacques were nowhere near the railroad car.  I never picked up on that before when I read the book!  

Damn, now I'm really going mad in the mind!

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Posted : 19/06/2018 1:02 pm
(@b-randy)
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Posted by: Brian Hardin II
Posted by: Lucas Bracci

Not from The Return but from The Final Dossier :

I started to examine the public records on the rest of the Palmer family.
Their daughter’s disappearance dominated the local news for weeks.
The same set of suspects was identified and questioned—Jacques Renault, Leo Johnson, Bobby Briggs, James Hurley—as those who were known to have been among the last to see her.
No useful information came from them, and no arrests were initially made.
The next day, Ronette Pulaski—the girl who was abducted and nearly killed along with Laura, and who had apparently still been taken captive—escaped and ended up in the hospital after being found wandering along a railroad trestle, just like “before.”
But she also testified that Laura had wandered off into the woods before she and Leo and Jacques entered the railroad car.

Woah..  Wait a moment...   Okay so this is odd..

In FWWM Leo and Jacques were nowhere near the railroad car.  I never picked up on that before when I read the book!  

Damn, now I'm really going mad in the mind!

Oh yeah, I didn't even pick up on that until just now either.  WTH were Jacques and Leo doing at the Railroad car?

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Posted : 19/06/2018 1:34 pm
(@carnifex)
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Nothing good at all,   knowing those two jokers.     Just thinking about it all is kind of scary!!

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Posted : 19/06/2018 2:04 pm
(@lucas_bracci)
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Posted by: Brandy Fisher

Oh yeah, I didn't even pick up on that until just now either.  WTH were Jacques and Leo doing at the Railroad car?

I guess it's a way to Mark Frost to explain in his novel why she was founded wandering along a railroad trestle. Like for the original series and FWWM reality.

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Posted : 19/06/2018 2:05 pm
(@caemeron)
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Thanks for the passage from the FD, Lucas. That's what I was remembering (the Ronette part) but I wasn't trusting my memory without going back to the book to check.

As for Jacques and Leo being at the railroad car, I don't know. Hm. Also note it says she testified that Laura wandered off, which makes it sound like she was there with them and then wandered off, whereas what we saw was her never meeting up with them.

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Posted : 19/06/2018 2:37 pm
(@dobbshead)
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Now I thought Ronette wasn't killed because Leland was totally preoccupied with Laura.  Ronette was able to slip off unnoticed.  If Laura was never there what purpose would  there be to tying up Ronette but not actually murdering anyone? 

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Posted : 19/06/2018 10:17 pm
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