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(@william_de_bruijn)
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'non existent before 1997'...nicely put. Still: where is Ruth Davenport's body currently? If Mr. C killed Ruth Davenport and Briggs (plus created the follow-up happenings to Bill & Phyllis Hastings and George-the-lawyer) he then did not find the coordinates on Ruth Davenport's body? He missed them and that's why he kept asking Ray about them?             By the way...where IS Ray? 

So many questions....so little time.

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Posted : 10/07/2017 6:11 pm
(@eric-from-sweden)
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It has yet not been explained to us how their heads was separated from their bodies. Were they simply cut off with a knife? Or did something else happened? My original thought was that they got stuck during a transfer through a portal of some sort. Only Ruth's head made it back into this world. Her body is still inside some other dimension, and vice versa with Major Briggs. Maybe there was some kind of transffering process going on that got abrupted.  But Ruth seemed to be shot in the head. So that doesn't go very well with that theory.

Another thing that bothers me is what Hastings said in the latest episode. He was with her when she died and that Ruth was dead all of a sudden, without any explanation it seems. He doesn't say that she was shot or anything. Just that she was dead.

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Posted : 11/07/2017 12:10 pm
(@ric_bissell)
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Posted by: William De Bruijn

'non existent before 1997'...nicely put. Still: where is Ruth Davenport's body currently? If Mr. C killed Ruth Davenport and Briggs (plus created the follow-up happenings to Bill & Phyllis Hastings and George-the-lawyer) he then did not find the coordinates on Ruth Davenport's body? He missed them and that's why he kept asking Ray about them?             By the way...where IS Ray? 

So many questions....so little time.

Hi William,

Mr. C didn't find the coordinates because Ruth wrote them on her hand.  I think that glob of tissue we were shown in the trunk of Bill Hastings car was the part of Ruth's hand that held the numbers.

That makes two people who have lost a huge chunk of flesh from their hands - Ruth and Ike the Spike.  😉

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Posted : 11/07/2017 1:03 pm
(@william_de_bruijn)
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That's a nice theory. And it would prove that Buckhorn's Dave Mackly (not sure about correct seplling here) is not doing a great job: we never saw that piece of flesh again...But cut out of her hand by (BOB-in-)Hastings? Hasting was having an affair with Ruth, so he would only do that if strictly necessary or if she demanded this of him. Or did BOB-in-Hastings plant it there to incriminate Hastings?

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Posted : 11/07/2017 5:48 pm
(@ric_bissell)
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Posted by: William De Bruijn

That's a nice theory. And it would prove that Buckhorn's Dave Mackly (not sure about correct seplling here) is not doing a great job: we never saw that piece of flesh again...But cut out of her hand by (BOB-in-)Hastings? Hasting was having an affair with Ruth, so he would only do that if strictly necessary or if she demanded this of him. Or did BOB-in-Hastings plant it there to incriminate Hastings?

Hi William,

I have a feeling we might see that piece of flesh again (or at least hear it referred to) before the series is over.  =:-O

I don't think we can really know yet who took that tissue.  So far, all we have to go by with regard to what happened to Ruth is Bill Hastings' disjointed, blubbering statement to Tammy Preston.  He insists that he didn't kill Ruth, and I believe him. 

At the same time, he also says that after he and Ruth gave Briggs the coordinates  "[Sobbing] And then something terrible happened.  These others... these others came in, and they grabbed me by the neck...".  I'm thinking the Woodsmen, but at this point - who knows?  That's what I love about Twin Peaks!  😉

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Posted : 12/07/2017 10:32 am
(@murat_erol_ozkan)
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Still, could have been Hastings who killed her, but involuntarily as those spirits possessed his brain and will(which would mean that although Hastings killed, he isn't actually guilty of a crime, which requires free act)

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Posted : 12/07/2017 2:00 pm
(@stwallskull2)
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Regarding the Dougie ring found in the Major's stomach... I wonder if the person who put it there wanted it to be found? Obviously, the body was left to be discovered. It could be Mr. C playing with the cops... Bob certainly did this with the letters under fingernails... but why would Mr. C want to lead the cops to Dougie? Maybe Major Briggs deliberately swallowed the ring?

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Posted : 12/07/2017 2:27 pm
(@chris_sampson)
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I don't see any reason why Doppeldale would leave a trace to Dougie/Coop that the Feds might pick up on, so it may be that Briggs contacted Dougie just before he got sucked into the red room and did the switcheroo between his wedding ring and the jade ring.  It's still a total mystery to me how Dougie got the jade ring - I think this is important.

 

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Posted : 12/07/2017 5:17 pm
(@eric-from-sweden)
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As someone wrote before, I think Major Briggs knew about Dougies existence and that Dougie had been manufactured for a purpose, and therefore the Major swallowed the ring as a clue. He knew he was going to get killed, now he wants the Feds to find the real Cooper.

The Jade ring is some sort of protector, isn't it? I think Dougie has had the ring ever since he was manufactured, just so that he wouldn't die. Just so he could live to fulfill his purpose.

 

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Posted : 13/07/2017 2:39 am
(@andrew_glasson)
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How could the Major know about Dougie's existence if the Major died in 1989 and Dougie was manufactured in 1997?  The gunshot wound to Ruth Davenport's head was similar to the gunshot wound that Hasting's wife received from Mr C so that would indicate that Mr C killed Ruth Davenport.  Mr C also killed the Major in 1989 and somehow as managed to stop his body decaying.  Why Dougie's ring is in the Major I have no idea.

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Posted : 14/07/2017 1:57 pm
(@eric-from-sweden)
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Well, probably the Major didn't die in 1989. Something else happened to him.

But Bill Hastings is still somewhat of a puzzle. When we first saw him in the first two episodes, he seemed completely and genuinely shocked, and therefore I believed him. Now, in episode 9, there has been a huge "gap" since last time we saw him, and now, he suddenly states that he was indeed with Ruth when she diet, etc. That means he was lying and just acting the first time we saw him. What's to say he's not still lying?
I want to believe he was telling the truth to Tammy, but that's what I thought he did when he talked to Detective Dave Macklay too. However, we don't know if he still sticks by his story of not ever been inside Ruth's apartment. I wouldn't be surprised if there is some kind of twist to this story that will occur very soon. Maybe he's not as innocent as one would assume.

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Posted : 15/07/2017 2:23 am
(@oyster_bells)
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Posted by: Eric from Sweden

As someone wrote before, I think Major Briggs knew about Dougies existence and that Dougie had been manufactured for a purpose, and therefore the Major swallowed the ring as a clue. He knew he was going to get killed, now he wants the Feds to find the real Cooper.

The Jade ring is some sort of protector, isn't it? I think Dougie has had the ring ever since he was manufactured, just so that he wouldn't die. Just so he could live to fulfill his purpose.

 

The ring isn't a protector, those who wore it in the show always died so far, except for Annie, whose fate hasn't been revealed.  It's an ominous ring.

Check out the extra information derived from the book, Eric :  http://twinpeaks.wikia.com/wiki/Owl_Cave_Ring

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Posted : 15/07/2017 2:33 am
(@eric-from-sweden)
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My bad.

But speaking of the Twin Peaks Wiki: It says that the cause of death for Major Briggs was decapitation. Nowhere is this mentioned in the episodes I've seen so far, or is it? I don't recall it.

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Posted : 18/07/2017 2:57 am
(@oyster_bells)
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Posted by: Eric from Sweden

My bad.

But speaking of the Twin Peaks Wiki: It says that the cause of death for Major Briggs was decapitation. Nowhere is this mentioned in the episodes I've seen so far, or is it? I don't recall it.

"When they did so, Hastings watched as the man floated into the air and said, "Cooper, Cooper," before his head disappeared. He and Ruth were then attacked by other people in the Zone who demanded to know the name of Hastings' wife. Hastings awoke at his home, while Ruth was killed. Later, Hastings positively identified Briggs as the person he and Ruth had spoken to.[21]

Ruth's severed head was discovered in her bed along with the Briggs' naked, decapitated body."

Decapitated body = a body that's lost its head.

Eric, you pickin' a fight with me?

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Posted : 18/07/2017 3:17 am
(@eric-from-sweden)
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My bad again. I just rewatched it. It's in the beginning of episode 5.  Constance says "Cause of death: I think someone cut this mans head off." I had completely forgotten about that. I am fully aware of what a decapitated body is, but I had no memory of Constance saying that she thought that was what killed him.

 

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Posted : 18/07/2017 3:53 am
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