Who killed Briggs and the Librarian?  

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(@jim_morris)
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William Hastings's fingerprints were all over the apartment, but he has no recollection of being there and doing anything to Briggs or her (the librarian, I can't recall her name). In episode 9, he reveals that he was in love with her, and he said that he saw Briggs ascending while they met. Hastings described his encounter with Briggs as being "beautiful".

Question is, why would he murder them? Did his doppleganger do it, or was he possessed an evil entity from the Black Lounge?

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Posted : 09/07/2017 10:20 pm
(@tikifire)
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Probably a woodsman possessed Him?

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Posted : 09/07/2017 10:24 pm
(@linda_dorland)
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This one has me puzzled, Hastings interview ep 9 sounds like he is truly telling the events, he seems genuinely disturbed by the librarian death and really loved her.  But why does he keep looking at the window, like he is afraid "someone" is watching him?  I don't think he killed anyone, but maybe was set up by his wife and evil Coop, since Evil Coop killed off the wife.  Oh I am so confused.

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Posted : 09/07/2017 10:26 pm
 dude
(@dude)
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I don't think Hastings necessarily killed them.  His prints were all over the apartment because they (Hastings and Davenport) were lovers.  I'm sure he went over there all of the time .... used the bathroom, made food, slept in the bedroom, watched tv in the living room .... I'm sure his prints were everywhere because he was there a lot.  It could be that he is being framed.  Or, he could have been possessed by a black lodge entity and then killed them.  Much in the same way Leland killed Laura.

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Posted : 09/07/2017 10:27 pm
(@pieceofgosa)
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I believe that they actually entered the white lodge, where I believe Mjr. Briggs was hiding.  Hastings said, "there were so many people there" so I *think* the ghost mob did for the librarian.  As for his fingerprints, they were having an affair so his fingerprints would naturally be all over her apartment.  

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Posted : 09/07/2017 10:28 pm
(@jim_morris)
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Posted by: dude

I don't think Hastings necessarily killed them.  His prints were all over the apartment because they (Hastings and Davenport) were lovers.  I'm sure he went over there all of the time .... used the bathroom, made food, slept in the bedroom, watched tv in the living room .... I'm sure his prints were everywhere because he was there a lot.  It could be that he is being framed.  Or, he could have been possessed by a black lodge entity and then killed them.  Much in the same way Leland killed Laura.

Yes, in episode 1 (or 2), when Hastings gets arrested and put into his cell, the camera pans over to the right, where you see another "person" in the cell next to him. The "person" then disappears, I think that's someone from the Lodge, I just don't know who. Hastings may have been possesed and went over and killed Briggs and the librarian. I dunno!

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Posted : 09/07/2017 10:33 pm
(@ollie_barkovic)
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Evil Cooper needed coordinates from Ray. 

Who demanded coordinates from Hastings? The ones the librarian wrote on her hand. Was it Briggs? It's was sobby and mumbly.

I think evil C killed he Librarian, he secretary and Hastings wife and planted Dougies ring in his stomach. 

Did Ray and Darya get to Hastings and the librarian first?

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Posted : 09/07/2017 10:51 pm
(@linda_dorland)
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Posted by: Jim Morris
 

Yes, in episode 1 (or 2), when Hastings gets arrested and put into his cell, the camera pans over to the right, where you see another "person" in the cell next to him. The "person" then disappears, I think that's someone from the Lodge, I just don't know who. Hastings may have been possesed and went over and killed Briggs and the librarian. I dunno!

That "person" was one of the Woodsmen, who we saw again in EP 8.  Not the same Woodsman as the one walking in the hall at the morgue.

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Posted : 09/07/2017 10:56 pm
(@michael_holden_disanto)
Lodger

Yes, Major Briggs asked Hastings and Ruth to bring him the coordinates.

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Posted : 10/07/2017 1:30 am
(@murat_erol_ozkan)
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tried to enter red room/white lodge to meet briggs; briggs is like the sleeping giant(levitates up and is slumbering waiting for someone); intercourse between the two worlds(when someone tries to meet the giant/white, they get forced into black(much like original agent cooper trying to find ideal twin peaks)(there were many others there, BOB, mother, etc.); this has happened repeatedly since Briggs prints are often found at crime scenes(people trying to reach white immediately reversed, turned into black(also like the kid in new york, almost possessed by cooper, this is barred out, then black/mother takes over)

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Posted : 10/07/2017 2:40 am
(@definitely-a-dale)
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Posted by: TheButcherCrow

I believe that they actually entered the white lodge, where I believe Mjr. Briggs was hiding.  Hastings said, "there were so many people there" so I *think* the ghost mob did for the librarian.  As for his fingerprints, they were having an affair so his fingerprints would naturally be all over her apartment.  

Maybe the White Lodge is being infested by the Black Lodge and that's why Cooper is Laura said "I'll see you again in 25 years"? Or something involving the Black Lodge blocking the White Lodge from something?

That would explain why Briggs and Ruth were killed. That might also explain the creature in the glass box.

I don't know, I'm just here to ask questions.

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Posted : 10/07/2017 7:09 am
(@rhiannon_clarke)
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I don't know that Briggs was necessarily killed. Hastings says his head floated off and it was beautiful. Also, remember in episode 3 when Cooper climbs outside of the "purple room", he looks down into space and sees Briggs head. I wonder how this fits into the timeline. Had Briggs "lost" his head at the same moment that Cooper was escaping the black lodge? Did Briggs really die, or did he ascend to another plane/dimension? 

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Posted : 10/07/2017 12:12 pm
(@murat_erol_ozkan)
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Posted by: Rhiannon Clarke

I don't know that Briggs was necessarily killed. Hastings says his head floated off and it was beautiful.

Yeah, but my problem here is that wouldnt BOB/Mr. C/Jeffries et al., and the motherly authority they 'want', also agree with that; can see them saying the same thing from another angle, while Briggs is trying to come back but continually killed right away(16 times or something), much like in New York when Cooper was prevented from returning from the red room by the billionaires technology, and mother/experiment was free to step in and kill the suspected 'hosts' of Cooper......isnt the current world of twin peaks we see exactly the one with 'hibernating' sleeping giant/law/reality(split by atomic explosion) dreaming of Laura, one that has lost his head and is not allowed to reconstitute itself while a sort of stagnant decay proliferates repetitively?  Hastings thought Briggs losing his head was beautiful because it was probably the beginning of realizations that attempt to solve the problems that laura's death revealed 25 years ago, which have gone unsolved, allowing Mr. C et al the entire 'lawless field'.  While Mr. C et al find the same thing beautiful as it is, in a permanently suspended law which allows a sort of mafia/terror rule to take over, destroy freedom/rights/law etc., keeping them in permanent hibernation slumber by never allowing the proper Cooper or Briggs to rematerialize and instill another attempt to return to some kind of livable lawful conditions.  25 years of twin peaks sleepwalking in a sort of slow decay where the problems laura encountered in society slowly grow and involve more people in the same old problems allowing no other way and no solution, the world controlled by billionaires and criminal terror states-governments which suspend law and threaten people that any attempt to return to it will be met with terror, and of course, it will be their terror whenever it suits them, since law is permanently suspended.......

The chairs relate to a sort of place which connects the red room/void to life and spirit/community(something like freedom opened up by the void is given its proper role in working its way in the society), on one side there is looking at the infinite/red room(kid in New York, Briggs trying to find the white lodge, which leads to death/change, exposes the weaknesses in the current law, not dealing with the 'laura' problem, etc.); and on the other side there is looking back from the void at life/lawful-realized-reality(Briggs' chair looking at the dinner table, discussion is lively at the dinner table).   Diane saw the message about the dinner table, was slightly perplexed, stopped engaging in obscenity and went outside to smoke(dealing with community/law instead of giving the finger) where she met Cole and shared an nice moment about better times, etc.  Diane saw 'Briggs'' dinner table message, while Mr. C is going to impose his own dinner table, after smashing Briggs'. 

 There are two chairs here: the one Briggs is trying to return to, which constitutes a sort holder place(temporary in a sense, since if it falls to sleep and does not deal with problems, then the sleeper must awaken), a holder place for reality/law that tries to deal with the problems of the society/law that Laura's death revealed, coming back from its hibernation/sleeping while dreaming of mother/laura, but were ignored during the 25 years of sleepwalking/hibernation which allowed BOB et al to run wild.  Mr. C et al make sure they monopolize this place with terror, making sure Briggs cannot return etc., and while there they just take for themselves as all the rest of the people are forced to slowly decay and be left to their whims, something like a mafia/terror law of force, or authoritarian capitalism, logic of unlimited profit/enjoyment no matter how nasty it gets, with the infinite affirmation of no matter how many people have to suffer and die to back it up, maintain lawlessness and terror. 

Other chair is the chair of looking at the infinite from finite reality, like the kid in New York, and this is attempted to be monitored and controlled but always fails(only gets a confused glimpse of what was happening) and so must be maintained by terror(Mr. C running around for coordinates and killing) and progresses to a generalized barbarism: the kid was going towards agent cooper, must be killed, Hastings was looking for white lodge/Briggs, must be dealt with, etc.  Also people at the roadhouse go there for infinite affirmation, one side is the first electronic song and the prostitutes(Mr. C logic, lawless slow decay, like laura and ronette to the profit/enjoyment benefit of Mr. C/jacques etc. and backed by terror/force permanently creating a terror war, suspending rights and constitution), second is closer desire proper and talks about something like losing a head/icicle melting, then recognzing the importance of what has happened(what a sacred thing, lauras body, its a tragedy, not the regular course of 'human nature' etc.), looking to reconstitute with this spiritual wealth, reality law, etc. as reconstituted....

 

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Posted : 10/07/2017 1:41 pm
(@murat_erol_ozkan)
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Also, now Bobby and twin peaks police trying to find infinite with Briggs' message(Bobby's childhood dreams with father/law etc.), maybe they will 'bring him back'(maybe just metaphorically, reconstituting some grip on reality, restoring it to acceptable conditions) and begin to be able to solve the problems of the town, sleeper must awaken...

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Posted : 10/07/2017 1:46 pm
(@mariano_rubio)
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To me it's pretty clear that Mr. C killed them with help from Philis (who follows human nature perfectly), placed Briggs' body with Ruth's head and put Dougie's wedding ring in there, too. 

Now the FBI will clash with Dougie (they will find his fingerprints and contact the FBI), who hast been discovered as non existent before 1997, and they will 'lose' valuable time while he's busy dealing with Ray and other fuckers; possibly where the TP policemen are going to investigate Briggs' cryptic message, aka "the farm".  Hopefully this is the trigger Cooper needs to wake up, as he seemed to be on that path for a couple episodes now and especially after being amused by the electrical outlet in the wall at the Police Station, and will go over the top and everyone will be at the same time and place.

 

According to my calculations, every 2 parts of the new show are 1 day. We're 2 days off this place, so 4 more episodes. Ep 13 seems like a good episode for a setup to resolve the "now one of you has to die" plot between Mr. C and Coop, while possibly the Babalon/Mother plot takes over for the final path of the show.

 

Or , you know, not at all.

FIRE TWERK WITH ME

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Posted : 10/07/2017 5:53 pm
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