Time and time again. And ageing  

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I was thinking... Since we know time in the Lodges is  twisted and does not obey the rules of our world, is it possible that spirits, doppelgangers or people in other dimmensions are ageing slower?

Many attentive watchers noted in Part 4 that Bad Coop's date of birth is 1972(?) which makes him much younger than original Dale Cooper. Kyle Mac Lachlan looks good, that's a fact that he could play younger character but his particular image as Mr C. matches 40-something man. We know for sure that Major Briggs was hibernating during all those years, yet his body is still in late 40's. Also the original Dougie- he looks like middle age man with wife being the same age and son who's about 9 yo. And he's a bit chubby- just like Major... Is it possible that the body of Garland Briggs, not his head obviously, served as some sort of prototype when creating Dougie, of course c.1997? And Ruth's hair seemed to be red, Dougie's are a bit gingerish.

What do you Guys think?

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Posted : 11/07/2017 5:14 pm
(@oyster_bells)
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There's time dilation : when you're moving faster than the speed of light, time moves slower for you than your surroundings.

When it comes to alternate realities, anything can happen, though maybe it's not that they age slower (and spirits aren't supposed to age, BTW, that's just Lynch not wanting to recast aged actors), it's that each dimension has its own time, and when you travel from one dimension to another, don't expect the time from your origin to apply at your destination.  The frogbug eggs took 11 years to reach New Mexico after Experiment spawned them.  Laura orb took even longer to reach Sarah's womb.

But my guess with Briggs when Hastings found him is that he'd stopped ageing, not ageing slower.  That's why he called it "hibernating."

"Dougie, who do you prefer now, me or that Jade?"
"Jade."
"No, no, Dougie! Jade. Or. Me?"
"Me."
"Okay, once again. Jade. Or. Janey-E?"
"E."

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Posted : 11/07/2017 5:44 pm
(@caoimhin)
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The first link on Hasting's site explains how time can operate in different dimensions.

Here's a small taste:

"Most of mankind have assumed light is a constant, but in fourth density light has a velocity approximately 17 times faster than in third density, our universe. Time is progressively slower in fourth density than in third, but to an entity in third density visiting it seems the same. When the frequency is moved density level 5 the velocity of light is approximately squared from the speed in level 4. Time slows down in proportion." 

http://www.grantchronicles.com/astro15.htm

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Posted : 11/07/2017 5:55 pm
(@oyster_bells)
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Posted by: Caoimhín Shirey

The first link on Hasting's site explains how time can operate in different dimensions.

Here's a small taste:

"Most of mankind have assumed light is a constant, but in fourth density light has a velocity approximately 17 times faster than in third density, our universe. Time is progressively slower in fourth density than in third, but to an entity in third density visiting it seems the same. When the frequency is moved density level 5 the velocity of light is approximately squared from the speed in level 4. Time slows down in proportion." 

http://www.grantchronicles.com/astro15.htm

Wow, Caoimhín (Irish?), would you explain that in simpler way, please?  I'm really interested to know.

What are 3rd, 4th, and 5th "densities"?  

"Dougie, who do you prefer now, me or that Jade?"
"Jade."
"No, no, Dougie! Jade. Or. Me?"
"Me."
"Okay, once again. Jade. Or. Janey-E?"
"E."

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Posted : 11/07/2017 7:52 pm
(@lynn_watson)
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The link is from William Hasting's bog:
http://thesearchforthezone.com/

I think it's our reading for next week!  😉

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Posted : 11/07/2017 8:15 pm
(@oyster_bells)
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Wait, sorry, I'll try to crack the article, and will come up with questions after.

?

"Dougie, who do you prefer now, me or that Jade?"
"Jade."
"No, no, Dougie! Jade. Or. Me?"
"Me."
"Okay, once again. Jade. Or. Janey-E?"
"E."

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Posted : 11/07/2017 8:26 pm
(@oyster_bells)
Roadhouse Regular

I've read that Parallel Universes and Density Shifting article and just couldn't get it.

Does anyone know about it and would you mind explaining in simpler form?

"Dougie, who do you prefer now, me or that Jade?"
"Jade."
"No, no, Dougie! Jade. Or. Me?"
"Me."
"Okay, once again. Jade. Or. Janey-E?"
"E."

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Posted : 14/07/2017 9:46 pm
(@caoimhin)
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Basically, subatomic particles vibrate at different frequencies, independently of one another, while occupying the same space. Higher rates of vibration have an affect on the separation of subatomic particles (and the forces within an atom), increases the space between atoms, and creates new kinds of atomic bonding. This can, effectively, change the characteristics of matter (think the ice to steam was it (?) analogy). So, the various density levels discussed have to do with concentrations of matter per area of interstellar medium (space between stars). Light travels faster in less concentrated higher frequency universes. That's what was able to decipher anyway.

If you reread the part on the first page about the Philadelphia Experiment, and squint, it almost causes what happened to Josie to make sense. I was picturing Josie while reading that part and laughing. 

 "  Many have heard the rumors involving the Philadelphia Experiment and there is truth in what happen. The US Military while trying to reduce the radar signature of ships and planes, irradiated different targets with subatomic particles as an unexpected sub process of one of their experiments responsible for the vibrational rate of basic matter. Imperfect as any process found by accident, the field did not have parameters to control the synchronized the movement of matter in the 3 dimensional grid. As matter moved from 3rd density to intermediate levels below the 4th, problems occurred. With a vibrational increased basic matter separates allowing light to diffuse through, thus the ghost like appearances of men trapped in the density shift. Ultimately positional changes by the men exploring their new surroundings found a horrific result, solidification within solid objects due to the test subjects movement while on the other side was not considered when return to 3rd density completed. When controlled by an advanced entity accidents are rare. This is how reports from friendly encounters of being able to pass through solid objects is achieved."

(Yes. My name is Irish. However, I'm American.)

 

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Posted : 14/07/2017 11:24 pm
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Time dilations happens when you move with a fast relative velocity. This is usually stated as moving clocks run slow. 
You don't need to be moving faster than light for this effect to take place. It happens in international flights and has been measured in jets though needing the precision of atomic clocks to notice. 
Current models say speed of  light travel is not possible by anything with mass.
Faster than light travel has no evidence in current physics.

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Posted : 15/07/2017 12:06 am
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I took the density to think about spacetime and the energy density of the vacuum to vary in the multiverse. So the sound speed for each universe is dependent on that energy.

The speed of light was found by solving the wave equation for Maxwell's equations. The stress energy tensor for relativistic solutions is based on the parameters of the spacetime. If you have a different permeability of frees pace and permittivity of free space the speed of light would be different. 

These could be thought of as the amount of energy free space allows in the electromagnetic fields. So I could see this being parallel to densities especially for the type of tensor mathematics used in General Relativity (analogous to fluid dynamics)

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Posted : 15/07/2017 12:15 am
(@oyster_bells)
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Posted by: Caoimhín Shirey

Basically, subatomic particles vibrate at different frequencies, independently of one another, while occupying the same space. Higher rates of vibration have an affect on the separation of subatomic particles (and the forces within an atom), increases the space between atoms, and creates new kinds of atomic bonding. This can, effectively, change the characteristics of matter (think the ice to steam was it (?) analogy). So, the various density levels discussed have to do with concentrations of matter per area of interstellar medium (space between stars). Light travels faster in less concentrated higher frequency universes. That's what was able to decipher anyway.

If you reread the part on the first page about the Philadelphia Experiment, and squint, it almost causes what happened to Josie to make sense. I was picturing Josie while reading that part and laughing. 

 "  Many have heard the rumors involving the Philadelphia Experiment and there is truth in what happen. The US Military while trying to reduce the radar signature of ships and planes, irradiated different targets with subatomic particles as an unexpected sub process of one of their experiments responsible for the vibrational rate of basic matter. Imperfect as any process found by accident, the field did not have parameters to control the synchronized the movement of matter in the 3 dimensional grid. As matter moved from 3rd density to intermediate levels below the 4th, problems occurred. With a vibrational increased basic matter separates allowing light to diffuse through, thus the ghost like appearances of men trapped in the density shift. Ultimately positional changes by the men exploring their new surroundings found a horrific result, solidification within solid objects due to the test subjects movement while on the other side was not considered when return to 3rd density completed. When controlled by an advanced entity accidents are rare. This is how reports from friendly encounters of being able to pass through solid objects is achieved."

(Yes. My name is Irish. However, I'm American.)

 

Okay, thanks, Caoimhín.

So that has less to do with ageing and time differences, and more to do with phasing and ghostlike appearance of beings from another dimension with different density?

"Dougie, who do you prefer now, me or that Jade?"
"Jade."
"No, no, Dougie! Jade. Or. Me?"
"Me."
"Okay, once again. Jade. Or. Janey-E?"
"E."

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Posted : 15/07/2017 1:26 am
(@oyster_bells)
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Posted by: Jeffery M. Thompson

Time dilations happens when you move with a fast relative velocity. This is usually stated as moving clocks run slow. 
You don't need to be moving faster than light for this effect to take place. It happens in international flights and has been measured in jets though needing the precision of atomic clocks to notice. 
Current models say speed of  light travel is not possible by anything with mass.
Faster than light travel has no evidence in current physics.

Oh awesome, I did not know this!

How much would the clock be set back, approximately, Jeffery?  Very little like 1-5 minutes?  Can someone who flies frequently end up lagging in age to their surroundings?  Like a pilot or flight attendant being 5 years younger than other people after a 30-year career?

"Dougie, who do you prefer now, me or that Jade?"
"Jade."
"No, no, Dougie! Jade. Or. Me?"
"Me."
"Okay, once again. Jade. Or. Janey-E?"
"E."

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Posted : 15/07/2017 1:31 am
(@oyster_bells)
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Okay, guys, another question, please :

In fiction there's been quite a few stories of "beings" from higher dimensions (Interstellar, I think?  And my old comic book The Invisibles).

Is this even the right question : what would a being from the 4th dimension and 5th dimension look like?  Being from their respective dimensions, would they have capabilities that correspond to the higher aspects of their real realm?

"Dougie, who do you prefer now, me or that Jade?"
"Jade."
"No, no, Dougie! Jade. Or. Me?"
"Me."
"Okay, once again. Jade. Or. Janey-E?"
"E."

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Posted : 15/07/2017 1:42 am
(@oyster_bells)
Roadhouse Regular
Posted by: Jeffery M. Thompson

Time dilations happens when you move with a fast relative velocity. This is usually stated as moving clocks run slow. 
You don't need to be moving faster than light for this effect to take place. It happens in international flights and has been measured in jets though needing the precision of atomic clocks to notice. 
Current models say speed of  light travel is not possible by anything with mass.
Faster than light travel has no evidence in current physics.

Oh wait, maybe this is where I misremember :

Time dilation works with objects moving less than the speed of light, but the lag is very insignificant.  For a person to be coming home after space travel to find everyone they know in old age or dead, the travel  speed must be like faster than light, which is why it only happens in fiction.  Is that it?

"Dougie, who do you prefer now, me or that Jade?"
"Jade."
"No, no, Dougie! Jade. Or. Me?"
"Me."
"Okay, once again. Jade. Or. Janey-E?"
"E."

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Posted : 15/07/2017 1:55 am
(@caoimhin)
Detective

A being in the 4 dimension would look like you, Oyster Bells. To David Lynch (or Mark Frost, rather, IMO), a being in 5 dimensions looks like the Giant, Seniorita Dido, Bob, etc. but it could also look like you* . . . could be a mind like the Philosopher's god or Dr Manhattan from the Watchmen! Think about the Giant watching the Trinity blast on his tele as a loose analogy.

*5th dimension video:

The essay is about the behavior of matter, energy, light etc. at different frequencies  and what those universes might look and act like at certain densities. However, if major Briggs "shifted" to 4th density or was hibernating in a 4th density universe or whatever, then for arguments sake, he would've aged much slower. Doesn't explain why people age in the red room. Perhaps they're in a transitional state between densities? I think Frost, by helping with Hasting's website (if he indeed did), is just providing some kind of foundation for the oddities that exist in the visions that Lynch is portraying (e.g., the red room scene entered his head when he put his hand on the warm hood of a car). It's all for the fun of giving us some sort of ground.

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Posted : 15/07/2017 2:43 am
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