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(@oyster_bells)
Roadhouse Regular

Okay.  That headless body showed up so early in the season, and it was grisly, it was placed together with a woman's head, it had a ring in its stomach, coroner said he hadn't eaten for a while.  All of it made me think the man had been captured and tortured, and made to swallow a ring.

But this episode changed everything : In that other dimension, Briggs wanted to leave, but to do that needed coordinates, which he couldn't get himself somehow (his body couldn't enter Hastings' reality?).  After getting the coordinates from the military database, Hastings and Ruth came back to Briggs, but "these others" came and pushed Hastings down and asked him his wife's name.  After receiving the coordinates, Briggs floated up, then his head disappeared, and it was beautiful, but then Ruth was dead, and then Hastings woke up at his home.

So this is my guess : When Hastings and Ruth came back to Briggs, they were followed by "these others."  "These others" weren't DoppelDale and his henchmen, because DoppelDale never had the coordinates, and they were written on Ruth's hand.  Less sure, but I'm thinking not woodsmen either, because pushing Hastings down and forcing him to reveal his wife's name don't sound like what woodsmen would do. "These others" were trying to prevent Briggs from getting the coordinates, but Hastings and Ruth managed to give them to Briggs, and Briggs escaped. His head disappeared and, as we know from Dougie, a golden pearl came out of his body to fly to those coordinates.  Ruth was killed by "these others."

I'm assuming what happened with Dougie happened with Briggs because : both had their heads disappear, not cut off.  And both had a twin.

Dougie was a copy.  His original has an identical body, whose head doesn't disappear.  Therefore the Briggs whose head disappeared was a copy.

The original could've died in the fire 25 years before, or that could've been another copy.

"Dougie, who do you prefer now, me or that Jade?"
"Jade."
"No, no, Dougie! Jade. Or. Me?"
"Me."
"Okay, once again. Jade. Or. Janey-E?"
"E."

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Posted : 14/07/2017 1:25 pm Pieter Dom liked
(@samxtherapy)
Detective

Interesting but I don't buy it.  Here's why:

Dougie is/was what he seemed to be, a construction, a decoy to prevent DoppelCoop from being taken back home.  No real evidence to go on, other than trusting the narrative in the absence of evidence to the contrary.

Briggs really is Briggs, who lost his head when accessing other dimensions, possibly by violent intervention by the "others", who are in league with DoppelCoop.  Whether they are the Woodsmen or some others remains to be seen.  Proir to this, Briggs may have understood what was happening with the Dougie construct and managed to steal his wedding ring, then swallow it to leave a clue behind, knowing he was going to meet a violent end.

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum

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Posted : 14/07/2017 2:26 pm elesea-honu, Myn0k, ella and 1 people liked
(@oyster_bells)
Roadhouse Regular
Posted by: SamXTherapy

Briggs really is Briggs, who lost his head when accessing other dimensions, possibly by violent intervention by the "others", who are in league with DoppelCoop.  Whether they are the Woodsmen or some others remains to be seen.  Proir to this, Briggs may have understood what was happening with the Dougie construct and managed to steal his wedding ring, then swallow it to leave a clue behind, knowing he was going to meet a violent end.

You mean what Hastings called beautiful was before Briggs' head disappeared, like maybe he floated up like the Giant and leaked golden dust from his mouth, but then the enemies intervened, for instance shot his head?

That's possible.

But during Hastings' interrogation, he mentioned Briggs' head disappearing first before he said it was beautiful.  If your guess applies, that's just like,"Oh no, I meant it was beautiful before his head disappeared."

"Dougie, who do you prefer now, me or that Jade?"
"Jade."
"No, no, Dougie! Jade. Or. Me?"
"Me."
"Okay, once again. Jade. Or. Janey-E?"
"E."

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Posted : 14/07/2017 3:09 pm
(@samxtherapy)
Detective

Well, not quite what I meant.  I meant to say that Brigg's head disappeared into another dimension and later, after some violent incident, his head disappeared for real.

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum

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Posted : 14/07/2017 5:23 pm
(@oyster_bells)
Roadhouse Regular
Posted by: SamXTherapy

Well, not quite what I meant.  I meant to say that Brigg's head disappeared into another dimension and later, after some violent incident, his head disappeared for real.

Oh, because we saw a flat giant image of the head floating down the purple sea?

Well, it's possible that this one unlike Dougie can send his head to another dimension (since we see  just his head down the sea, and Bob's head and Laura's head on orbs).  I'm just going by the similarities of what happened with Dougie.

 

"Dougie, who do you prefer now, me or that Jade?"
"Jade."
"No, no, Dougie! Jade. Or. Me?"
"Me."
"Okay, once again. Jade. Or. Janey-E?"
"E."

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Posted : 14/07/2017 7:41 pm
(@andrew_glasson)
RR Diner Patron

I am still confused by all this Ruth Davenport, Major Briggs, Dougie connection.  The body of Major Briggs is the same age as when he apparently died in March 1989, Dougie was manufactured  in 1997, the gunshot to the head of Ruth Davenport was similar to the gunshot wound to Hastings wife when Mr C shot her which would indicate he shot her but if Mr C is asking for information from Ray that he needs could that be the co-ordinates which would indicate that Mr C had nothing to do with the murder of Ruth Davenport else he would have the co-ordinates on her hand.  How Dougie's ring got into Major Briggs body and why it as not decomposed and how the body of Major Briggs and the head of Ruth Davenport's head came to be in Ruth Davenport's apartment is a mystery to me.  Hastings is the connection between both the 2 bodies which would indicate some connection to the crime and also the connection of the date 1997 between Hastings and the manufacture of Dougie Jones.  How  it all fits I have no idea.

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Posted : 16/07/2017 9:45 pm
(@possiblegrenade)
Town Visitor

Is it possible that Major Briggs is out in the world somewhere? Maybe as Sonny Jim? His head disappeared. Janey-E's ring to Dougie was in his stomach. I don't think that was planted by anyone malicious--I think Briggs swallowed it. The question is why. Maybe he manufactured them to protect Coop when he returned? 

My other thought: was there any follow up to the flesh that was in Hastings's trunk?

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Posted : 21/07/2017 1:40 pm
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