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(@haxan_l_morningstar)
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Posted by: Oyster Bells

Guys, I've just recently looked up the numbers of US viewers per episode on Wikipedia.  It averages around 0.27 million per episode for seas3.

Seas1 pilot peaked at 34.6 million, seas2 averaged 10 million per episode.  But in those days there weren't nearly as many TV shows as today.

Now I'm gonna give the today comparison with 2 other supernatural shows that I know : American Gods this season averages 0.7 million per episode, and American Horror Story last season averaged around 2.5 million per episode.

I don't get it.

I think Twin Peaks is far superior to American Gods, which I think is superior to AHS.  But the numbers are reversed.

Lynch also seems to be a favorite director, among actors and movie buff/film students, but I guess not to the common audiences?  Before seas3 aired, looking at the new cast announcement, that crazy list of big actors that get on the show, I thought this would boost exposure to the new generation who weren't there when the original aired.

Is it the lack of trailers and promotions?  Lynch did that I'm sure to keep secrets air tight.

It's mostly a matter of lowest common denominator. The larger the audience, the more likely it is that the movie/tv show/book/franchise they are following is made at the lowest common denominator which - generally - means lower quality. 

Of course, this is a generic, empirical rule, and there are exceptions - also, it doesn't work in reverse (smaller audience numbers don't correlate with higher quality).

 

TP is doing relatively good but, if they wanted to attract new audiences (especially millenials) they should've gone a completely different way - they're best bet would've been to take the "soft reboot" path (a là Star Wars - The Force Awakens) and, basically, do an updatee version of the original material. 

Even without getting in how incredibly uncreative this would've been, they should've then took into account just how many shows treaded in "Twin Peaks territory" in the last 27 years - and some of those shows were mighty good. 

Just as an example, a modernized soft reboot of the original Twin Peaks would've been instantly compared to shows called True Detective, Hannibal and Westworld - all of which are very though acts to follow (and it would've been met with the inevitable, and in this case justifiable, criticism of being "a rehash").

 

I'd say Showtime took a risk, let Lynch and Frost free to do what they wanted and now this has a chance to make TV history as the first show that attempted this level of deconstructed narrative, ever. It's a bet that pays off on the lung run, so time will tell if The Return will go down as a game changer or as a weirdness too "out of the box" to be influential.

I feel that this new show will - slowly but steadly - influence things for years to come, but this may be just my optmistic view. 

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Posted : 23/06/2017 4:49 am
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Side note: ok, so when I wrote my previous comment I didn't have my full fix of morning coffee, and I wrote stuff like "updatee" instead of updated and "lung" instead of "long" (this one is particularly funny). Why is ist that - after a short while - we can't edit our posts? :[email protected]

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Posted : 23/06/2017 7:41 am
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There is also one thing you have to consider my fellow TP maniacs: as one of the greatest America's products this show(old and new of course) is loved, mesmerised, discussed and mostly: broadcasted and streamed live all over the world. Speaking from only my european point of view: Sky Atlantic, HBO and probably more pay televisions are broadcasting it live and people are watching it (Yes we have to wait till late night/early morning hours and we love it!).

So, stations paying the copyrights to Showtime, ratings rising.

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Posted : 23/06/2017 7:55 am
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Posted by: Karen
Posted by: Kim Frostlind

Since I'm not American, I don't know how things work with TV, but is it aired on cable or is it on Showtime as in paid for?
I remember reading something several years ago about Dexter, which had lower rating but that is the case when it's on a channel like that. So it seems difficult to compare?

Showtime is a subscriber cable network. They created a streaming channel so having cable is not required to subscribe ( watch on a streaming connected tv, or on a computer or device connected to internet )
  Over the air free tv is very restricted in what it can put out, and years back when a Superbowl ( football ) half-time show had an accidental nipple-slip live, rightwingers screamed their heads off and the FCC clamped down hard censorship on all over-the-air free tv, even classic nude paintings in the background of a scene get blurred-out. Subscriber tv networks don't have this nonsense.

Ah, I see. Thanks for answering. =)

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Posted : 23/06/2017 9:45 am
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Just a thought - has 'Scandi-noir' made it big in the US yet?  I know a lot of people over here (I'm in Scotland) who can't quite believe they've got addicted to various Scandinavian series.  They're subtitled; tend to be slow paced & some can be quite strange...

 

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Posted : 23/06/2017 10:17 am
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Posted by: Lynn Watson

Just a thought - has 'Scandi-noir' made it big in the US yet?  I know a lot of people over here (I'm in Scotland) who can't quite believe they've got addicted to various Scandinavian series.  They're subtitled; tend to be slow paced & some can be quite strange...

 

For instance?

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Posted : 23/06/2017 11:06 am
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Posted by: Lynn Watson

Just a thought - has 'Scandi-noir' made it big in the US yet?  I know a lot of people over here (I'm in Scotland) who can't quite believe they've got addicted to various Scandinavian series.  They're subtitled; tend to be slow paced & some can be quite strange...

 

Stig Larrson's Millennium trilogy made a pretty big splash here in the US 6 or 7 years ago, inspiring a pretty well received film by David Fincher.   Let the Right One In also made a big splash about ten years ago.

The genre seems to have died out a bit here in the states, though, the American remake of the 2nd part of the Millennium trilogy seems to be stuck in development hell, with both Fincher and Rooney Mara reportedly dropping out of he production.

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Posted : 23/06/2017 12:29 pm
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From what I've seen so far, this new series is not in anyway "commerical". I'm really suprised Showtime green lit all the episodes we've seen so far. I wouln't be suprised if people are starting to lose interest in this reboot. Not me however, since I'm a hard core fan, but the general public, "the mob" if you will (if they even watch these kind of series). I'm hearing stuff from my friends who just don't get anything (like I do too in some ways) and start to say that this new series is just too weird and that the pace is too slow.

I'm beginning to think that in the end of this season, all the viewers that remain are the hard core fans, and that's because this series doesn't have any commercial take on it. Like for instance that floor sweeping scene. Who at Showtime gave it a green light?

Just like someone stated before in this thread, I doubt we're gonna get any answers after watching all 18 episodes. Instead, I get the feeling that Lynch & Frost is hoping for another season, even though they officially stated that this is a one time event. But if I were a Showtime executive, I sure wouldn't put any money in another season, just thinking from a commercial point of view.

I get that David Lynch wanted to make something new and different from what we've seen, but that doesn't make up for the scattered and fragmented way of telling the story. It just make the viewers confused. Showtime took a huge risk at this one.

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Posted : 23/06/2017 1:38 pm
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Posted by: Dr Memory
Posted by: Lynn Watson

Just a thought - has 'Scandi-noir' made it big in the US yet?  I know a lot of people over here (I'm in Scotland) who can't quite believe they've got addicted to various Scandinavian series.  They're subtitled; tend to be slow paced & some can be quite strange...

 

Stig Larrson's Millennium trilogy made a pretty big splash here in the US 6 or 7 years ago, inspiring a pretty well received film by David Fincher.   Let the Right One In also made a big splash about ten years ago.

The genre seems to have died out a bit here in the states, though, the American remake of the 2nd part of the Millennium trilogy seems to be stuck in development hell, with both Fincher and Rooney Mara reportedly dropping out of he production.

If you don't find Swedish annoying to listen to, you should watch them with subtitles. Of course being Swedish, I'm not objective here lol, but I thought the original film was better. Maybe because I started to giggle every time they said a name in Swedish. I mean, why? Just change the names. Or perhaps it gives the movie a different feel, I don't know. Anyway, I'm babbling now, sorry.

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Posted : 23/06/2017 3:15 pm
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Posted by: Dr Memory
Posted by: Lynn Watson

Just a thought - has 'Scandi-noir' made it big in the US yet?  I know a lot of people over here (I'm in Scotland) who can't quite believe they've got addicted to various Scandinavian series.  They're subtitled; tend to be slow paced & some can be quite strange...

 

Stig Larrson's Millennium trilogy made a pretty big splash here in the US 6 or 7 years ago, inspiring a pretty well received film by David Fincher.   Let the Right One In also made a big splash about ten years ago.

The genre seems to have died out a bit here in the states, though, the American remake of the 2nd part of the Millennium trilogy seems to be stuck in development hell, with both Fincher and Rooney Mara reportedly dropping out of he production.

See the original Swedish movies of the trilogy:  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1132620/?ref_=nv_sr_2
The majority of American remakes dumb the story down/change things too much.

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Posted : 24/06/2017 7:03 am
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Posted by: Michael Rochelle

I plan on ending my Showtime subscription about a week after Part 17 and 18 end, to let Showtime know that that the 10 dollars a month for 5 months was only because of Twin Peaks. I want season 4 and a mass exodus from showtime right after the end of the show will make a statement.

Ahaha!  ?

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Posted : 25/06/2017 3:34 am
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Posted by: Häxan L. MorningStar

Side note: ok, so when I wrote my previous comment I didn't have my full fix of morning coffee, and I wrote stuff like "updatee" instead of updated and "lung" instead of "long" (this one is particularly funny). Why is ist that - after a short while - we can't edit our posts? :[email protected]

It's Pieter Dom.

He wants people who write negative things not to be able to take it back.  So everyone can bash them.

?

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Posted : 25/06/2017 3:48 am
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Granted streaming and on demand viewing isn't factored into ratings, but tp (sadly) is gettjng killed in ratings compared to other showtime shows.

 

Hopefully this doesn't prevent a season 4. 

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Posted : 25/06/2017 8:59 pm
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tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/showtime-tv-show-ratings-33448/

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Posted : 25/06/2017 9:00 pm
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There was no plan to have another season. It's what used to be called a mini-series. "One long movie cut into 18 parts."

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Posted : 26/06/2017 12:19 am
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