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How The Return reflects on Season 2  

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(@teo-peaks)
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I agree, but the thing that I find very unusual in The Return is the level of goofiness (in case that wasn't clear :)), which is quite unprecedented in his work. There are lots of grotesque and absurd moments in Wild At Heart and The Missing Pieces for instance, but such a level of "retardedness" in a character I've only seen in Dumbland and in the second season of Twin Peaks (Leo). 

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Posted : 16/06/2017 1:03 pm
(@haxan_l_morningstar)
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Yeah, reading your previous comments I kinda had a feeling that you were pointing out the goofiness : -) The thing is, though, I'm not entirely sure I see it - or rather, I see what you mean, but I don't necessarily see a "continuity in goofiness", so to speak.

S2-Leo and TR-Coopgie (<-- which may very well be the goofiest nickname that I ever goofed) are apples and oranges, to me. But that's one of the great things about interpretational stuff: where I see apples and oranges, you may very well see cabbages (and, sooner or later, someone will pop up and tell us we're both asshats, "because those are obviously pumpkins" or whatever) 😉

 

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Posted : 16/06/2017 6:00 pm
(@teo-peaks)
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I'm speaking mostly in terms of impact on season 2. They may very well be different sorts of goofiness, I'm no expert in the several degrees of goofiness one can find, but watching Leo spitting and repeating "New shoes", or Dick imagining evil little Nicky (the same way Mr. Jackpot sees the red room on top of some slot machines (graphically, they're both quite cartoonesque), it definitely makes the second half (roughly 6 weak episodes) of season 2 look more credible, whether these scenes were fillers or not.

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Posted : 16/06/2017 6:16 pm
(@zodas)
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I wouldn't credit Lynch with the second half of season 2.

"New shoes" Leo and Dick Tremayne were when Lynch was away from the show.

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Posted : 16/06/2017 6:50 pm
(@teo-peaks)
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I don't credit Lynch with the second half the season 2 and that's precisely my point.

Some moments of The Return feel like moments when Lynch was away from the show.

That being said, he did direct episode 14 (or "Lonely Souls") when Leo, Bobby and Shelly are sitting at the table and Leo starts repeating "new shoes", later on, Bobby and Mike find something in his boots. 

 

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Posted : 16/06/2017 7:01 pm
(@zodas)
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Ah gotcha...I see what you mean now.

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Posted : 16/06/2017 11:55 pm
(@2manniequinn6)
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I thought Little Nicky grew up to be the son of Satan?

Haha sorry had to throw that in.

I reckon this 'connection' of return to S2 theory has some good points but in essence I believe without some of the 'goofy' parts, this'd purely be an investigation show too hung up about how to get Coop to wake up in reality inside his new form as Dougie. 

Btw I'd just like to point out, if you were trapped in an inter-dimensional Lodge for 25 reality years (baring in mind to coop it may have only felt like a day in the waiting room) do you really believe your soul would be able to merge into a new body and just know who you are immediately?

Coop has been reincarnated into Dougie. It's going to take time for Coops soul to 'Wake Up'. Just like all births, they need time to grow and learn. I for one really enjoy this introduction of Coop as it helps build the suspense of the show.

This was exactly what was felt during the Shelly and Leo plot line. We were all waiting for Leo to recover from his injuries. Just waiting for him to turn on Shelly when she least expected it. Trouble was we didn't know when and the suspense was making it a nail biting experience.

With Doppel-Dale now back involved with Coop's colleagues the suspense is, will Dougie/Coop recover in time to stop Doppel-Dale from potentially releasing a horrifying evil upon his FBI colleagues and TP friends?

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Posted : 17/06/2017 2:59 am
(@karen_paynter)
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No, it is not Dougie's body, Dougie went into the Black Lodge and he no longer exists, people that knew D. think Cooper is him. But Coop being de-materialized to go through the portal & then re-materialized back in our world has left his brain playing catch-up.

Fire Walk With Me

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Posted : 17/06/2017 4:24 am Michael Garling liked
(@zodas)
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Dougies friends recognized weight loss...so yeah...definitely not Dougies body.

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Posted : 17/06/2017 6:30 pm Michael Garling and Teo Peaks liked
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