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(@eric-from-sweden)
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That thing Fishinthepercolator wrote about Windom Earle is really interesting. Makes me wonder: What if Windom Earle as we know him, infact was a doppelganger? That's why he was behaving in a way similar to the way Mr. C is behaving now?

The connection between old Cooper and Windom Earle has never really been fully explained. Once upon a time they were colleagues, and maybe it was the good Windom Earle that Cooper got to know. Then something happened, the good Windom  Earle somehow was trapped in the Black Lodge, and Earl's doppelgänger got out and murdered his own wife etc. But on the other hand, that doesn't explain why Earle was so eager to find The Black Lodge, when Mr. C does everything in his power not to get back there.

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Posted : 24/05/2017 4:20 pm
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I think he may be painting groundbreaking ceremony shovels for the new marijuana dispensaries Ben & Jerry and removed link

Did you notice whenever we watch him working on the shovels the camera pulls back to wide shots from within the woods?  The way the camera moves it's as if we are in the POV of someone (or something) watching him).

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Posted : 24/05/2017 4:40 pm
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Posted by: Eric from Sweden

But on the other hand, that doesn't explain why Earle was so eager to find The Black Lodge, when Mr. C does everything in his power not to get back there.

I'm rewatching the first two episodes while I'm writing, so maybe I'll notice something else that may change my mind but from what I remember Mr. C in the beginning is fine with coming back to the Lodge. He makes it clear that he has changed his mind in the scene in which he kills Darya. But while he admits that he's no longer willing to just accept to go back, he still seems to be in search for the coordinates and the locations of one of the gates and says to Darya that he wants "that", referring to the symbol in the card that reminds a lot of the one in the green ring and the one in owl cave. So he seems to imply that while he doesn't want to peacefully go back to the Lodge, he wants something connected to the Lodge. He doesn't want to stay in the Lodge, but that doesn't mean he doesn't want to go there to get something he craves (whatever it might be), similarly to Earle. Not sure, but definitely Earle, Cooper, Jeffries (and possibly Desmond) might have suffered a similar fate, which would also help explain Earle sudden change.

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Posted : 25/05/2017 4:49 am
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A note on timeline: birth of Wally (Lucy/Andy's son) was on 'Marlon Brando's birthday', as Lucy says  in se3.ep01. Brando was born April 3rd. In season 1 Cooper came to TP on Feb 24th ('Diane, February 24th, entering the town of Twin Peaks'). Hence Cooper was in Twin Peaks no longer than 5 weeks...(Lucy in 3.01: 'Cooper has been missing since before Wally was born, and Wally is 24 years old'). 

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Posted : 25/05/2017 7:51 am
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Posted by: William De Bruijn

A note on timeline: birth of Wally (Lucy/Andy's son) was on 'Marlon Brando's birthday', as Lucy says  in se3.ep01. Brando was born April 3rd. In season 1 Cooper came to TP on Feb 24th ('Diane, February 24th, entering the town of Twin Peaks'). Hence Cooper was in Twin Peaks no longer than 5 weeks...(Lucy in 3.01: 'Cooper has been missing since before Wally was born, and Wally is 24 years old'). 

Doesn't seem right, I'm not sure in which year season 3 is set (I guess I read somewhere it's in 2014, which would make sense, since it's as Laura said, 25 years after the events of the original show), but it must be april 3rd a year after Cooper's arrival (1989). Lucy finds out about her pregnancy at the end of season 1, I highly doubt she's found out in her 7th month. Also, if season 3 it's really happening in 2014, Wally would be 24 if he were born in 1990 (a year after Cooper's arrival in Twin Peaks and the events of the first season).

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Posted : 25/05/2017 9:34 am
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But the Laura Palmer diary sets the action in 1990? Where's the (best) proof within the series that season 1 & 2 are set in 1989?

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Posted : 25/05/2017 6:37 pm
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I don't know about Laura's diary, but I'm fairly sure season 1 takes place (or at least starts) in 1989.

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Posted : 25/05/2017 6:40 pm
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He wasn't talking about Bobby, Bobby appears in part 4.

We don't know that he was actually talking to Jeffries, doppel-Coop suspects it isn't Jeffries toward end of the conversation.

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Posted : 26/05/2017 5:15 am
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The original show was a year behind real-time. The date was mentioned on I think more than one occasion. Oh, one occasion was Andy discovering Leo was locked away in prison in Hungry Horse, and the date showed he had an alibi for Teresa Banks' murder.

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Posted : 26/05/2017 5:19 am
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Posted by: Karen Paynter

He wasn't talking about Bobby, Bobby appears in part 4.

We don't know that he was actually talking to Jeffries, doppel-Coop suspects it isn't Jeffries toward end of the conversation.

Again, this discussion is about part 1 & 2. In pretty much all around the world only part 1 & 2 have been aired, please, nothing else related to part 3&4 until monday.

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Posted : 26/05/2017 7:16 am
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Posted by: Fishinthepercolator
Again, this discussion is about part 1 & 2. In pretty much all around the world only part 1 & 2 have been aired, please, nothing else related to part 3&4 until monday.

Does this really make sense, though? It's not like this is "spoiling" anything. I will admit to a degree of personal bias, here, since I don't really believe in "spoilers" and, actually, I like to know as much as I can about something before watching it, but... is TP - and especially this TP - a show that can be "spoiled"? I'm not trying to be confrontational here, these are just honest questions.

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Posted : 26/05/2017 7:40 am
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I thought it was explained pretty clearly.  Cooper had an affair with Earle's wife.  That would kind of get your goat, I would think.  As for why he wants to go to the Black Lodge, ISTR it's for the power he reckons it will give him.

Thing about Earle is, he's a clever guy, a very clever guy.  Just not quite as clever as he thinks he is.

Edited to add:  The above was posted in response to questions about Windom Earle.  I forgot to quote that particular post.  Oops.

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Posted : 26/05/2017 8:42 am
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Posted by: Shelly Kay

sometimes it's just best to go along for the ride with David Lynch. I fucking love him. Always have, always will. 

He' just like James:) Always cool, always been.

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Posted : 26/05/2017 12:49 pm
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Posted by: SamXTherapy

I thought it was explained pretty clearly.  Cooper had an affair with Earle's wife.  That would kind of get your goat, I would think.  As for why he wants to go to the Black Lodge, ISTR it's for the power he reckons it will give him.

Thing about Earle is, he's a clever guy, a very clever guy.  Just not quite as clever as he thinks he is.

Edited to add:  The above was posted in response to questions about Windom Earle.  I forgot to quote that particular post.  Oops.

I might be wrong, but it does seem just too simplistic and if that was the case Coop should be aware of why Earle went crazy and not be puzzled the way he was in the original show.

Also, Windom Earle's past is shady even before Coop's affair with Caroline. We know for a fact that Earle was working in project blue book and he was removed because he started to become obsessive and violent (Major Briggs' words in episode 27) and that was well before he even met Coop. Coop-Caroline's affair began when he had to protect her as a witness of a federal crime, a crime which Cooper believes Windom Earle was responsible for in the first place. Either he's lying or Earle had started changing before Cooper started to get involved with his wife. Another weird thing is that when he was instituzionalized for mental illness after the murder of Caroline he wasn't really ill or crazy, he just faked his illness by assuming haloperidol (which, by the way, is the same drug Phillip Gerard, a character linked to the Lodge, assumed to prevent possession from Mike). It gets even more complicated in his secret tapes, but those have so many timeline and continuity mistake I don't find them reliable in any way. In the end I think it's just too simplistic to say Coop banged his wife and he went out of his mind and also completely out of place in Lynch's usual M.O., although I might concede that some of the people who assumed creative responsabilities in season 2 during Lynch and Frost's absence could have this kind of storyline in mind.

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Posted : 26/05/2017 3:08 pm
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It was not a spoiler ( I just vaguely answered that Bobby isn't the Major mentioned ), I didn't mention what happens. The majority are aware that certain original characters are in the new show.

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Posted : 26/05/2017 11:53 pm
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