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(@niklas_harkonen)
Owl

Dougie Jones was created for one single purpose, for the evil doppelganger Cooper to be able to stay out in the world when he got called back. But because he stayed, there can only be one Cooper in the world one of them must now die like the one armed man told retarded Agent Cooper. The evil doppelganger tree (BOB?) with the brain set the whole thing up by throwing Cooper out "NONEXISTENT", I think that's why he is like a child. 

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Posted : 22/05/2017 3:03 pm
(@r0byntn)
Town Visitor

Some scattered thoughts:

Maybe the shoes thing was to do with the fact that Dougie went in without his? Something about equivalencies? The whole transfer between dimensions seems to operate on a very tit-for-tat logic.

I do also wonder about the pearl! It reminded me a lot of the key in Mulholland... the way an object is intensified..?

I laughed out loud at the coffee bit! Such a good citation of Cooper's spitting out the coffee in the Tibet rock-throwing scene. ("—and hot!")

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Posted : 22/05/2017 3:31 pm
(@shawn)
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Posted by: titwillo

 

I'm still curious as to why his shoes couldnt go through the portal

   

Perhaps that's why Mike/Phillip Gerard sells shoes as his day-job. It gives him a cover to have lots of extra shoes as he goes back and forth through the Lodge.

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Posted : 22/05/2017 7:09 pm
(@melissa_hawkins)
Town Visitor

So dopplegangers have a life span of 25 years outside the black Lodge, then they must return and be replaced by the original. So having the "made for purpose" Dougie go into the Black Lodge instead of bad Coop may have off set something or upset the balance hence why Our Coop is a bit off. 

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Posted : 23/05/2017 12:54 am
 Jake
(@the-log-whisperer)
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The doppelgänger tree isn't Bob. Just a doppelgänger of The Arm.  

 

Once Coop swapped with Dougie, thigs were hired to kill him. Seems like bad Coop had the timing all worked out. 

I  wonder if Coop will ever be fully functional without that pearl though.

 

 

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Posted : 23/05/2017 2:21 am
(@federico_de_luca)
Lodger

I thought Dougie's purpose was to retrieve the ring, rather than being a "placeholder" for evil Cooper, but that's only my interpretation. I made the connection with the novel - Douglas Milford, you know - but can't develop that any further at the moment 😀

Regarding the golden pearl, can that be Cooper's soul, without which he cannot go back to who he was?

I found the casino scenes with Mr. Bean Cooper irritating to watch too. Couldn't wait for them to be over and to move on to another location with other characters.

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Posted : 23/05/2017 5:34 am
(@steve_mckay)
Lodger
Posted by: Yeremy Yohnson

 

Since electricity seems to be a part of the medium of transportation, I wonder if the shoes having rubber soles has something to do with that, as that wouldn't conduct electricity.

   

Agreed... also could be a fun-for-fans play on "new shoes" spoken by the vegetative Leo... a clue that Cooper will be childlike as well for a while?  

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Posted : 23/05/2017 8:44 am
(@van_der_waal)
Lodger

From the first two parts, Dale in the Lodge was told that Bad Cooper would have to come back BEFORE he could leave.  Then, that was suddenly not the case and the Doppelganger Arm told him to go.  The impression that I got was that there are disruptive forces in the Lodge and that Doppelgangers are free to play tricks and break the rules, etc.

The Arm that said "non-exist-ant" was in my opinion not the Doppelganger, but the "correct" one trying to stop Cooper from breaking the rules of the Lodge. 

Additionally, bad Dale said that someone was trying to send him back to the Black Lodge but that he wasn't going. 

I think that whether Dougie has always been around or not is the less important question (the Lodge seems to interact with time in very fluid fashion - time is more of a place holder or cardinal direction that you can go back to or away from at will). 

Rather, WHO put Dougie out there to take Bad Dale's place in the Black Lodge?  Someone needed to come back first.  Was it the Doppelganger Arm? Bad Dale and Philip Jefferies? The Billionaire (who may be continuing the Project Blue Book/Milford research discussed in the Book)?

Also - if it wasn't Bad Dale's doing as an act of self-preservation, what is the point of making sure Good and Bad Dale are on earth at the same time?

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Posted : 23/05/2017 11:42 am
(@bianca_christie)
Town Visitor

I thought the same removed link  And I wonder if this holds for Evil Cooper in the car, since it has rubber removed link  Could his being in transit in the middle of nowhere (and thus away from all obvious sources of electricity) be part of his plan to avoid returning to the Black Lodge?  And, if so, the presence of the lighter socket/phone charger/whatever you call it nowadays still affects him, as it would--but to what degree?  And did he take that into account or not?

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Posted : 24/05/2017 4:17 pm
(@bianca_christie)
Town Visitor

Side note:  I wonder if yakking up that garmanbozia (sp?) had something to do with leaving Bad Coop somewhat incapacitated.  We know from the earlier series that he could emulate Good Coop more-or-less  convincingly, just as Bad Leland could do.  After all, we've learned that BOB apparently needs (he would say wants, but I disagree) his garmonbozia . . . .

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Posted : 24/05/2017 4:31 pm
(@chris_sampson)
RR Diner Patron

I reckon there's more to Naomi Watts's character than meets the eye, good chance that she's still in Mulholland Drive land and Good Coop has not emerged into the 'real' world.

Also, "rancha rosa" = pink room?

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Posted : 24/05/2017 6:56 pm
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