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Clarification: Cooper is not possessed by BOB  

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(@ash-neuro)
Lodger
Posted by: ella

I still think that Mr C's appearance is inspired by Bob hence Indian heritage. Anybody noticed small clip in his hair? When Mike and Bob used to act together, they shared the same tatoo. BTW I'm wondering if we hear the phrase Fire Walk Me again.

My first impresion when is saw Cooperlanger getting out of a car was "Wow" (Bob wow),  and that I see how Dale has changed during 25 years of being possessed.

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Posted : 26/05/2017 5:29 am ella liked
(@andrew_tomassone)
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I agree with some people on this thread that BOB has more free-roaming abilities than people are giving him credit for. BOB seems to be a different entity entirely from the doppelgängers and might not operate the same way. I don't think he can just hop in and out whenever he pleases but I also don't think he's been residing in Mr. C this entire time. As someone else pointed out, this situation is completely different from Leland's. Leland's physical body was possessed by BOB, NOT his doppelgänger (hence Leland's doppelgänger saying "I did not kill anybody"). The agent cooper we know and love was most likely never possessed at all. Mr. C (Coop's doppelgänger) got out and may have been accompanied by BOB as evidenced by the mirror scene. However, it's been 25 years and we know that BOB doesn't play by the rules. I really don't think he's still in Mr. C and I'm surprised more people aren't talking about the gif that was posted earlier of the woman that Mr. C shot. You can clearly see something coming out of her and I wouldn't be surprised if it was BOB. I'll post the gif again for reference.

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Posted : 26/05/2017 10:43 am
(@rezbloods)
Owl

I believe he is possessed by simple reason that we see his reflection in mirror.

My theory is that bad coop after car crash is seeing visions/fantasy/dream during blackout in his car. This is where you see good coop trying to come out and you see this silly fantasy narrative of having wealth and happy smiling family. It reminded me of sad "real" Leland doing his dance.

But then again it could be anything so no spoiler warning.

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Posted : 27/05/2017 2:38 pm
(@simon_brake)
Owl
Posted by: ella

 

By the way- is Philip Gerard really possessed by Mike? Or is Mike Gerard's doppelganger? They both look the same contarily to Leland/Bob different appearances. Mr C looks are definetely inspired by Bob- not only long hair but kinda Indian style of his haircut and skin tone.

Another very important question- where is Bob now? I think he might be back in Twin Peaks... He's not, let say, global evil:) He's very local, connected to the woods in Twin Peaks ("something connected to Hawk's heritage") and... But this is my intuition only, probably silly, I think we will have another teen murder in TP. 

 

I've been wondering about the Mike/Phillip Gerard thing too recently. Could one have possessed the doppelgänger of the other, or alternatively did the spirit assume the form of the host when he had his epiphany and cut off his arm? And, for that matter, if The Arm was symbolic of something evil, why does he not appear to have been evil at any point since?

My initial take on Bob has been that he rode the bad Cooper out. As soon as it was clear, from this Season, that it was the doppelgänger in the world and not just a possessed Cooper, I've assumed that Bob was riding Bad Coop. I figured that, given that they are both creatures from the Black Lodge, the two have - over time - fused into one being (hence the way the character looks). If nothing else they'd need a really good reason to explain why Bob doesn't appear in the show any more - I can only think that they'd do something along the same lines of The Arm, and have the character 'evolve' somehow if they're unable to use the original actor.

Whatever the case the '25 years in the real world' thing interests me too, in that the inhabitants of the Black Lodge, and Bad Cooper, are aware of this time limit. Maybe it's happened before. Mike seems no longer to be in the real world - perhaps he was a doppelgänger or manifested spirit that spent a total of 25 years in the real world before being summoned back. And if he is a model for what is currently happening, if the spirit resembled the 'host', might a Bob spirit residing within Bad Cooper now resemble the current host?

Just speculation. I'm thoroughly enjoying watching this all unfold on screen. 🙂  

Presumably Bob's apparent absence is something that will be explained down the line. I hope so.

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Posted : 31/05/2017 10:22 am William De Bruijn liked
(@monotrophic)
Lodger

Now that Episode 5 is out, even more confusion may come from the possession/control idea. There's a scene where Mr. C looks into the mirror, his face alters slightly, and then he says "glad to see you're still with me." This happens right after the flashbacks to BOB and Mr. C in lodge, and Mr. C slamming his head against the mirror. BOB may indeed be pulling the strings, and it remind me of the conversations about BOB being "the evil that men do" almost to allude to the idea that everyone involved with Mr. C may also be under BOB's influence in some way.

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Posted : 06/06/2017 3:19 pm pk49331 liked
(@tcmclassics)
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Posted by: Yeremy Yohnson

Ostensibly you're right, although the original mirror scene makes that a bit murky. I feel like it's possible that BOB may be kind of "riding along" witch Cooper's  shadow self

BOB is still around. I'm surprised nobody mentioned the doppleganger's morphing mouth in that scene. It eventually reverted back to Coop.

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Posted : 06/06/2017 3:50 pm
(@karen_paynter)
Deputy
Posted by: Gills and Tails
Posted by: Yeremy Yohnson

Ostensibly you're right, although the original mirror scene makes that a bit murky. I feel like it's possible that BOB may be kind of "riding along" witch Cooper's  shadow self

BOB is still around. I'm surprised nobody mentioned the doppleganger's morphing mouth in that scene. It eventually reverted back to Coop.

Not Coop, the doppelganger "Mr. C."

Fire Walk With Me

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Posted : 08/06/2017 6:06 am
(@pk49331)
Owl

So Jaredlyon, after this weeks episode do you still think badcoop is not Bob?

seems like he is after that partial morph into Bob when he looked in the mirror...  it gave me chills.

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Posted : 13/06/2017 12:48 pm
(@karen_paynter)
Deputy

He said "you're still with me" indicating Bob being with Mr. C. ( doppelganger ). Perhaps making the warden nervous bringing up "Mr. Strawberry" gave him some garmonbozia to feed on.

Fire Walk With Me

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Posted : 13/06/2017 11:43 pm
(@william_de_bruijn)
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Somewhere in Twin Peaks Season 2 MIKE says: 'He is BOB, eager for fun'....

I also believe, like Simon is suggesting higher up, that de Lodges opening each 25 years is something of a historic rhythm. Every 25 years, so this means every generation, will see it's battle of Good(Coop) versus Evil(Coop). Laura becomes Becky. Leo becomes Richard Horne. And of Carl Rodd (Harry Dean Stanton) it is said in Mark Frost's 'The Secret History' (p. 146) that he went missing in 1964. Twentyfive years before the opening of the Lodges March 27th 1989... 

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Posted : 14/06/2017 12:55 am
(@audrey-horne)
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Posted by: William De Bruijn

Somewhere in Twin Peaks Season 2 MIKE says: 'He is BOB, eager for fun'....

I also believe, like Simon is suggesting higher up, that de Lodges opening each 25 years is something of a historic rhythm. Every 25 years, so this means every generation, will see it's battle of Good(Coop) versus Evil(Coop). Laura becomes Becky. Leo becomes Richard Horne. And of Carl Rodd (Harry Dean Stanton) it is said in Mark Frost's 'The Secret History' (p. 146) that he went missing in 1964. Twentyfive years before the opening of the Lodges March 27th 1989... 

I just read the page you have referenced. It is intriguing indeed:

Rodd was later reported missing while on duty off the Alaskan coast during the devastating Anchorage earthquake and ensuing tsunami of 1964. He was rescued by a Native American fishing crew, but Rodd's patrol boat and the bodies of his shipmates were never recovered. Rodd lived with the Aleuts who rescued him for five months while he regained his strength.

I guess we can assume that Rodd was found in a catatonic state (similar to DougieCoop's condition now) by the Aleut fishermen and it took him five months before fully recovered. Would DoogieCoop took this long to recover after he escaped from the Black Lodge or would it take him a shorter (or longer) time to recover?

If Rodd was an earlier protagonist character like Cooper, who was he up again back then? And would he play any role to help a recovering Coop to rediscover who he was and defeat EvilCoop and BOB?

The 25 year time frame (1964, 1989, then 2014 (which I assume it's the year S3 takes place) is intriguing and if your theory is correct, can add an interesting twist to the mystery of why Coop has to spent 25 years in the lodge and what role Laura's spirit would have played in today (likely in saving Becky). I guess we'll find out whether it's correct as the series progresses.

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Posted : 14/06/2017 3:48 am
(@william_de_bruijn)
RR Diner Patron

Both Carl Rodd and Log Lady visited the Lodges back in 1964 and they are now sensing what is happening: Log Lady has given clues to Hawk; Carl's role is still unclear, but we will undoubtedly hear more in 3.07 or 3.08 or 3.09

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Posted : 18/06/2017 3:35 pm
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