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If Judy had been a real person?

If she had been to Jeffries what Annie had been to Cooper, the gate to the lodge?

The explanation given for Judy in The Return reminds me of the episodes in season 1 after Cooper's (Lynch's) dream when the whole team of screenwriters tried to make sense of every little details of the dream, making it... rather boring in the end. The parallel between the lodge and Jacques' cabin was rather lame.

Wouldn't it have been great if we had never known who Judy is or what a Blue Rose case is?

Too late for that.

Just a thought

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Posted : 04/10/2017 10:48 am
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Would it have been greater if Judy was a real person or if we had never known who she is?

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Posted : 04/10/2017 10:55 am
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Both, an unkown real person, rather than a known spirit.

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Posted : 04/10/2017 11:03 am
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She's a young lady.

Or maybe not...

(From the FWWM Missing Pieces)

- Here's your key, Mr. Jeffries. I hope you enjoy your stay here at the Palm Deluxe.

- Do you have a Miss Judy staying here by any chance?

- This is for you. The young lady, she left it for you. 

 
 
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Posted : 04/10/2017 11:49 am
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Posted by: Lucas Bracci

She's a young lady.

Or maybe not...

(From the FWWM Missing Pieces)

- Here's your key, Mr. Jeffries. I hope you enjoy your stay here at the Palm Deluxe.

- Do you have a Miss Judy staying here by any chance?

- This is for you. The young lady, she left it for you. 

The Buenos Aires connection...one of the most intriguing mysteries of TP (FWWM & TPTR). Any thoughts on that?

Sorry about the hijack Teo!?

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Posted : 04/10/2017 12:02 pm
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No hijack at all

It's actually a very good point, are the Missing Pieces part of the Mythology? I wonder now.

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Posted : 04/10/2017 12:05 pm
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Posted by: Teo Peaks

No hijack at all

It's actually a very good point, are the Missing Pieces part of the Mythology? I wonder now.

Lynch himself said that FWWM would be key to understanding TPTR. So, I guess the Missing Pieces should also be taken in consideration.

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Posted : 04/10/2017 12:28 pm
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Then I really don't undertand the whole Jowday angle.

It's just, to me, not as interesting as a young lady 🙂

 

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Posted : 04/10/2017 1:06 pm
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I must be missing something. I still have no clue about who or what Judy was or if she is still at large as an extreme negative force somewhere. 

What difference would it make if Judy were never "trapped"? (Assuming she  may have been). Why did the FBI get involved with neutralizing her power in the first place? What impact did she ever have on our world? It appears to have made little difference that she was still out there throughout several decades of FBI failure to proceed with the "plan." I know a few people died, but certainly the FBI had bigger fish to fry than some elusive Judy.

 

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Posted : 04/10/2017 2:48 pm
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To me, Jowday is as interesting as Bob being killed by a green glove.

 

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Posted : 04/10/2017 3:06 pm
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To me, the confusion that resulted from the fact that there are multiple Judys (Buenos Aries, Jowday) was not worth the suspense value created by that choice.  The same thing happened with multiple people named Linda.  Lynch/Frost obviously kept us guessing about the identities of these characters, but in the end I felt let down when I found out who they actually were. 

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Posted : 04/10/2017 5:40 pm
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Posted by: Teo Peaks

If Judy had been a real person?

If she had been to Jeffries what Annie had been to Cooper, the gate to the lodge?

The explanation given for Judy in The Return reminds me of the episodes in season 1 after Cooper's (Lynch's) dream when the whole team of screenwriters tried to make sense of every little details of the dream, making it... rather boring in the end. The parallel between the lodge and Jacques' cabin was rather lame.

Wouldn't it have been great if we had never known who Judy is or what a Blue Rose case is?

Too late for that.

Just a thought

Judy can be a real person. The theory that she is everything bad that we see in a movie...is just a theory. That's not facts. So there is a space for other theories.

But Judy can be this one frog moth that entered girl mouth and only this. Then she is this girl as a real person. Since we have time travel in this movie, she doesn't need to be fit with age at all. In FWWM Jeffries is traveling in time, and in season 3 we see he can set timeline in kettle. But she doesn't even need to get older, we don't know how this frog moth work. So he could met this young lady in Buenos Aires. In FWWM we see monkey who speak Jeffries voice "Judy". Many thinks that she is his master and he is this monkey. AND "I will tell you one thing: Judy is positive about this".

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Posted : 05/10/2017 3:45 am
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Posted by: Lucas Bracci

She's a young lady.

Or maybe not...

(From the FWWM Missing Pieces)

- Here's your key, Mr. Jeffries. I hope you enjoy your stay here at the Palm Deluxe.

- Do you have a Miss Judy staying here by any chance?

- This is for you. The young lady, she left it for you. 

 
 

As I think you know, this is from the time when Judy was probably going to be Josie's sister (as hinted at by Engels and mentioned by Joan Chen in her letter to Lynch). 

http://twinpeaks.wikia.com/wiki/Judy

Love the Judy Garland pic! 

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Posted : 05/10/2017 4:10 am
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"As I think you know, this is from the time when Judy was probably going to be Josie's sister (as hinted at by Engels and mentioned by Joan Chen in her letter to Lynch)." 

Which confirms what I'm afraid of, this Jowday is a late invention in the Twin Peaks mythology, and not at all the original idea, which was to have Judy as a young woman, probably the reason why Jeffries ended up in the Black Lodge.

And that was a much better idea.

This new idea for The Return, Jowday, sounds more Frostian than Lynchian to me (especially after reading the Secret History) and is as exciting as a potato salad.

Is there a way they can have a season 4 that erases all the bad ideas of season 3 (amid some excellent ones of course) and rehabilite all the good ones destroyed in The Return?

 

 

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Posted : 05/10/2017 9:12 am
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