The waitress only served him half a cup.
Shitty waitress with Shitty coffee.
If it's not a dream the ending is still crap because the entire timeline has possibly been erased as well as perhaps all the characters except Richard, Linda and Carrie.
Another good theory. He's been through a shit storm.
There are several more examples of series ending debacles. It is far from an isolated event. Just because somebody has done it before, does not mean that somebody else won't make the foolish mistake as well.
I like the idea that SA Cooper is living the American Dream behind the red door (red curtain?) that that tulpa Cooper is perusing Odessa. It actually makes some sense to me and it is a theory I've been working on for a little while now.
I also do not buy into the whole "this was all a dream" school of thought either.
Honestly, as mush as I want the happily ever after, I just don't think it's correct. And as much as I just want to hate Lynch/Frost for giving us such a piss-poor ending like a dream, I can't do that either. I do not think either is correct. There are too man things that go unaccounted for, like the time lapse between motels, Carrie's ultimate reaction to the Palmer house, etc.
I wish it were as cut and dry as one of the above. But I have strong suspicion that it is so much deeper and scarier and weirder than all that.
Trust me, no successful show creator in TV would ever repeat the St. Elsewhere mistake, and certainly not a seasoned veteran like Frost. It is cosidered that toxic. Remember, Frost was doing mainstream broadcast TV before he hooked up with DL.
You also have Diane covering his face during sex, as if she doesn't want to acknowledge who she is really with.
I assumed it's because that face reminded her of the man who raped her.
...if that actually happened if we are to believe what the Tulpa said.
I also believe the real Coop is in Odessa.
He would want to finish his work in saving Laura instead of settling down with Janey-E.
Leland told him to find Laura...he's not going to give that job to someone else.
I'd agree that it's not a dream based on St. Elsewhere alone. Plus there's plenty of evidence in the show it isn't a dream. If they are in the real world at the end based on a few place names and signs and the owner of the house being used then why are the names all wrong? Why didn't Dale and Diane become Kyle and Laura instead of Richard and Linda? Why doesn't the owner of the house play herself instead of Alice Tremond, a name associated with Twin Peaks lore? Why is Billy Zane the only one allowed to have his real name? Finally why is Carrie able effect things in the real world with her scream? Does she retain her power outside the Matrix like Neo now? Sorry, I don't buy the dream theory.
If there were no dream element (so much of the first season and FWWM was shrouded in dreams), how do you explain the shifting scenery, the shifting character identities, the complete knowledge of each meticulous step once he leaves the (shifting) motel (from Judy's cafe in Odessa to the 708)? The amount of control that he possesses - there has to be some dream element to that, maybe not complete, but its a strong motif throughout the entire series.
Perhaps you can have elements of the dream and not admit to it...?
There are several more examples of series ending debacles. It is far from an isolated event. Just because somebody has done it before, does not mean that somebody else won't make the foolish mistake as well.
I like the idea that SA Cooper is living the American Dream behind the red door (red curtain?) that that tulpa Cooper is perusing Odessa. It actually makes some sense to me and it is a theory I've been working on for a little while now.
I also do not buy into the whole "this was all a dream" school of thought either.
Honestly, as mush as I want the happily ever after, I just don't think it's correct. And as much as I just want to hate Lynch/Frost for giving us such a piss-poor ending like a dream, I can't do that either. I do not think either is correct. There are too man things that go unaccounted for, like the time lapse between motels, Carrie's ultimate reaction to the Palmer house, etc.
I wish it were as cut and dry as one of the above. But I have strong suspicion that it is so much deeper and scarier and weirder than all that.
Trust me, no successful show creator in TV would ever repeat the St. Elsewhere mistake, and certainly not a seasoned veteran like Frost. It is cosidered that toxic. Remember, Frost was doing mainstream broadcast TV before he hooked up with DL.
Deep Space Nine and Roseanne, off the top of my head.
I don't think it's all a dream. But right now I'm not willing to put my faith in Frost to ensure that. Not yet.
I think dreams clearly play a part in the series, but they are dreams the characters are having within the Twin Peaks world. The dream being spoke of here is the idea they have literally woken up and our now in the real world, our world, in the final episode.
As far as your question what are you asking with "the complete knowledge of each meticulous step once he leaves the (shifting) motel (from Judy's cafe in Odessa to the 708)?"
Cooper wakes up, drives into nearest town, which happens to be Odessa, and then stops when he sees a diner with the name Judy. Not surprising given the significance of the name Judy in Twin Peaks. Then he drive to Twin Peaks,Washington. A town which doesn't exist in the real world by the way. Which is another point against the dream theory. Cooper plainly tells Carrie Page he's taking he to a non-existent town. If he's in the real world how the heck does he end up in Twin Peaks? Copper drives by both the RR diner and Laura's House in the same town. In the real world they are an hour away from each other.
I'm okay with it all being a dream. Our dream. David Lynch's dream. The dream that we share with David Lynch- the brilliant story that is Twin Peaks. It's the only explanation that makes sense- trying to resolve it any other way, you hit a brick wall, in every case.
I'd agree that it's not a dream... Does she retain her power outside the Matrix like Neo now? Sorry, I don't buy the dream theory.
Neo. I always though Neo was The One. Now, it's Laura. God, I can't tell shit from shinola.
There are several more examples of series ending debacles. It is far from an isolated event. Just because somebody has done it before, does not mean that somebody else won't make the foolish mistake as well.
I like the idea that SA Cooper is living the American Dream behind the red door (red curtain?) that that tulpa Cooper is perusing Odessa. It actually makes some sense to me and it is a theory I've been working on for a little while now.
I also do not buy into the whole "this was all a dream" school of thought either.
Honestly, as mush as I want the happily ever after, I just don't think it's correct. And as much as I just want to hate Lynch/Frost for giving us such a piss-poor ending like a dream, I can't do that either. I do not think either is correct. There are too man things that go unaccounted for, like the time lapse between motels, Carrie's ultimate reaction to the Palmer house, etc.
I wish it were as cut and dry as one of the above. But I have strong suspicion that it is so much deeper and scarier and weirder than all that.
Trust me, no successful show creator in TV would ever repeat the St. Elsewhere mistake, and certainly not a seasoned veteran like Frost. It is cosidered that toxic. Remember, Frost was doing mainstream broadcast TV before he hooked up with DL.
Deep Space Nine and Roseanne, off the top of my head.
I don't think it's all a dream. But right now I'm not willing to put my faith in Frost to ensure that. Not yet.
Dallas!
Oh boy, I'm having a lot of overlapping thoughts on this.
I would never think it was as simple as "it was all a dream" because there are too many things that conflict with that. For instance, when does he wake up? When he fades out of the sheriff's station and ends up in the electrical room with Diane and Gordon? When he and Diane drive through the 430 line and end up near Odessa at night in the car? When he wakes up looking for Diane and finds the note from Linda? He then proceeds, as planned, to find Laura and return to Twin Peaks? None of these are like your classic "waking up from a dream" moment. He doesn't wake up in bed and forget everything, he doesn't wake up wistful and disoriented, he keeps moving forward with purpose.
So if it's not a dream, what's going on when he fades out? When he is literally watching himself interact with other characters? What are our options? I think we have two very good options.
It is related to density shifting and parallel universes-
If you need a refresher check it out here:
http://www.grantchronicles.com/astro15.htm
This is a huge factor in the world of Twin Peaks now. Bill Hastings character died because of his fascination with it. He got too close to the world of the lodges and the woodsmen. The Woodsmen shift through space and dimensions constantly when they move. The room above the convenience store is in another "density." The woodsman can travel by electricity. Dale traveled through electricity and continues to do so (through the socket, through the electrical room with Mike to see Jeffries, through the 430 line to Odessa.) Jeffries was starting to travel by density shifting and dimensional time travel in FWWM. Anyway, it's part of the story now. It's hard to film a concept that abstract and perhaps the best way to do it was the way it was confusingly done in the end.
It is a vision- Dreams and visions are not new to the Twin Peaks mythos. So much of Dale's investigation in the first season was in response to a dream he had, or more accurately a *vision*. Here is Major Briggs distinguishing between the two in season 2 episode 1:
"Bobby, may I share something with you? A vision I had in my sleep last night—as distinguished from a dream, which is a mere sorting and cataloguing of the day’s events by the subconscious. This was a vision: fresh and clear as a mountain stream, the mind revealing itself to itself."
In the original series Dale has visions that lead him to discovering Laura's killer, Major Briggs has visions that let him know that Bobby's life is going to turn around, you could argue that Laura has a vision of Annie and it lets her know what she needs to write in her diary to affect the future.
Basically if something feels like a dream in Twin Peaks but it has more significance, it's actually a vision. A vision is important, it has weight and meaning for the characters and often comes to pass at some point in the future. Visions don't negate part of the story, they add to it. The only thing is that, like the density shifting and parallel worlds, it gets a little confusing because it can feel very nonlinear in the timeline.
So that's my, uh, brief thoughts on the matter. Not a dream!
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