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Posted by: dopplearb

I think it's a waiting room for both lodges, otherwise we wouldn't see Cooper and Laura in there. The Tulpas are brought here to dissolve, they don't belong in either lodge.

I think it's interesting that MIKE appears to dwell solely in the Red Room as his ties have always been a bit ambiguous. Is he truly a white lodge character now or is he simply a lodge spirit who cannot belong fully in either side?

I also think it's interesting that he's able to leave the lodge in 17 to accompany Cooper to Jefferies lair at which point he does not use backwards speak.

Any more thoughts on MIKE?

I want to know why he was insistant on getting Bob back to be with him again and yet when Bob is dead, he doesn't even say a word about him.

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Posted : 03/10/2017 11:42 am
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Re Mike (Gerrard) leaving in 17

He met Cooper inside room 315 so technically he may not have left if room 315 is a link/portal

 

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Posted : 03/10/2017 1:45 pm
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There is also the issue of the colors on the inside the portals that we see in Buckhorn and in Twin Peaks.  The portal in Twin Peaks had a white center, and led Andy to the "Fireman Space", which I think means that Lynch intended that to be a White Lodge. The portal in Buckhorn had a black center, and led to the stairs of the convenience store.  That makes me think the convenience store is part of the Black Lodge.  Of course, I could be completely wrong.  I never feel sure about any TP interpretations anymore.  

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Posted : 03/10/2017 6:56 pm
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Posted by: Julie Loader

Re Mike (Gerrard) leaving in 17

He met Cooper inside room 315 so technically he may not have left if room 315 is a link/portal

 

But he wasn't speaking backwards all of the sudden. Even when he appeared to Dale/Dougie in Vegas he spoke backwards. I also don't think where Jefferies is IS the Black Lodge. Otherwise why did Mr. C go there when he was using every means necessary to avoid "going back in"

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Posted : 03/10/2017 7:17 pm
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Posted by: dopplearb

I think it's a waiting room for both lodges, otherwise we wouldn't see Cooper and Laura in there. The Tulpas are brought here to dissolve, they don't belong in either lodge.

I think it's interesting that MIKE appears to dwell solely in the Red Room as his ties have always been a bit ambiguous. Is he truly a white lodge character now or is he simply a lodge spirit who cannot belong fully in either side?

I also think it's interesting that he's able to leave the lodge in 17 to accompany Cooper to Jefferies lair at which point he does not use backwards speak.

Any more thoughts on MIKE?

I want to know why he was insistant on getting Bob back to be with him again and yet when Bob is dead, he doesn't even say a word about him.

What makes you say he was insistent on getting BOB back?  We know he wanted Mr. C back in but not a word about BOB

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Posted : 03/10/2017 7:20 pm
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Posted by: dopplearb
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Posted by: dopplearb

I think it's a waiting room for both lodges, otherwise we wouldn't see Cooper and Laura in there. The Tulpas are brought here to dissolve, they don't belong in either lodge.

I think it's interesting that MIKE appears to dwell solely in the Red Room as his ties have always been a bit ambiguous. Is he truly a white lodge character now or is he simply a lodge spirit who cannot belong fully in either side?

I also think it's interesting that he's able to leave the lodge in 17 to accompany Cooper to Jefferies lair at which point he does not use backwards speak.

Any more thoughts on MIKE?

I want to know why he was insistant on getting Bob back to be with him again and yet when Bob is dead, he doesn't even say a word about him.

What makes you say he was insistent on getting BOB back?  We know he wanted Mr. C back in but not a word about BOB

Mike's been trying to reunite with Bob since before TPTR and Mr C didn't exist until the very end of season 2.

He also explains why to Dale in a dream. 

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Posted : 04/10/2017 4:36 am
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Posted by: dopplearb
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Posted by: dopplearb

I think it's a waiting room for both lodges, otherwise we wouldn't see Cooper and Laura in there. The Tulpas are brought here to dissolve, they don't belong in either lodge.

I think it's interesting that MIKE appears to dwell solely in the Red Room as his ties have always been a bit ambiguous. Is he truly a white lodge character now or is he simply a lodge spirit who cannot belong fully in either side?

I also think it's interesting that he's able to leave the lodge in 17 to accompany Cooper to Jefferies lair at which point he does not use backwards speak.

Any more thoughts on MIKE?

I want to know why he was insistant on getting Bob back to be with him again and yet when Bob is dead, he doesn't even say a word about him.

What makes you say he was insistent on getting BOB back?  We know he wanted Mr. C back in but not a word about BOB

Mike's been trying to reunite with Bob since before TPTR and Mr C didn't exist until the very end of season 2.

He also explains why to Dale in a dream. 

 I don't think he wanted to reunite with Bob so much as get him back to the Black Lodge (tired of his running amok). He had a lot to do with Bob's apparent obliteration after all. We may differ on semantics though re: the word reunite. 

 Edit: he's probably still pissed about Bob stealing all the creamed corn as well.  

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Posted : 05/10/2017 8:45 am
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It's also interesting to note that in the original season 2 finale script, the Black Lodge is described as a "dark space" initially. Cooper is then transported to a "shabby hotel office" and asks if he's in the Black Lodge but doesn't get an answer from the receptionist. 

All the Red Room scenes that Lynch rewrote take place in the "Black Corridor" in the original script and it's described as a "dark, ominous version of the Great Northern." 

While I don't think it sheds much light on the Waiting Room vs Black Lodge debate, I think it's possibly worth entertaining. 

http://www.lynchnet.com/tp/tp29.html

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Posted : 05/10/2017 9:02 am
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the "waiting room" is in the black lodge obviously.. You think cooper and the others in the black lodge can just hang around there elsewhere.. Black lodge = Red Curtains B/W floor place.. Like cooper said ,, when can i leave? He is in the Black Lodge.. 

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Posted : 05/10/2017 5:30 pm
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Posted by: Johan Pitz Petersson

the "waiting room" is in the black lodge obviously.. You think cooper and the others in the black lodge can just hang around there elsewhere.. Black lodge = Red Curtains B/W floor place.. Like cooper said ,, when can i leave? He is in the Black Lodge.. 

Obviously it's not obvious otherwise it wouldn't be, or have been, an ongoing discussion over the last 27 years. 

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Posted : 05/10/2017 8:45 pm
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I do so love all the experts and their "obvious" notions. Like anything here is obvious!!!

SMH 

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Posted : 05/10/2017 11:10 pm
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Unless I hear something directly from Lynch or Frost, I don't think anything is obvious.  In fact, the one thing Lynch did say - "Jeffries is not a kettle." - I'm not crazy about that either.  Such irony. 

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Posted : 05/10/2017 11:44 pm
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I'm down with the Red Room aka Waiting Room being part of/sidelong to the Black Lodge.  But I always picture the Black Lodge itself to be that room where we see Chalfont and grandson, a much cornier looking woodsman or three, Bob is there, and The Arm.  Jumping man?  Maybe I'm thinking of the grandson wearing a similar mask.  Many memorable lines from this scene. 

"With this ring....I thee wed"

"This table is for-mi-cah.  Green is its color"

"Wow Bob Wow"  

If memory serves, which isn't a given. 

I miss Windom.  I feel like his ultimate fate was the most disturbing of anyone's.  Except Sarah's perhaps. 

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Posted : 05/10/2017 11:50 pm
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like this

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Posted : 05/10/2017 11:55 pm
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Posted by: Joseph McMurty

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This is above the convenience store. I've brought this up in other threads but I'm really very skeptical that above the convenience store is the Black Lodge. There is some backwards speak there but Mr. C willingly goes there when his entire purpose is to avoid going into the Black Lodge. So what is it? Some kinda hang out zone for lodge spirits? I dunno. Yeah NOTHING is obvious. 

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Posted : 06/10/2017 1:02 am
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