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Bad Dale vs. Mr. C

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(@chet_desmond)
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As I mentioned in another thread.....Leland didn’t act like a lunatic full time. While possessed by Bob, he was well respected in the community and held a well paid job.   I don’t think the initial giddiness would have lasted long.

 
Posted : 20/09/2017 9:56 pm
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Also, was there something of Mr C in Bad Dale even back in season 2, in the monotonous way he said 'I need to brush my teeth' (or something along those lines) when he first woke up? The tiny amount we saw of Bad Dale wasn't all cackling mania. Interesting question though, and Mr C (who I enjoyed a lot) certainly wasn't what I expected.

 

First time poster by the way. This forum has been a fabulous resource over the past months, thank you to everyone. Helloooo-ooooooo!

 
Posted : 21/09/2017 7:08 am
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I wasn’t expecting Bad Cooper to basically be a murderous Johnny Cash, but personally I think it was a delightfully inspired choice.

 
Posted : 21/09/2017 8:20 am
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MacLachlan was channeling a killer shark while he was inhabiting Mr. C - black eyes and all:

How do you conceptualize a character like this in your head? Do you think of him as a human being? A demon? An idea?
He’s a shark. There’s no remorse, there’s no happiness, there’s that quality when the shark is feeding and relishing it, the frenzy — the inhaling of someone’s soul — that’s him. He, for me, was real, insofar as being a living thing. But it was more about playing his force, his energy, his will. Those were the things that I hung onto, as opposed to making him real. He goes to places I haven’t been much as an actor. There was a thing I did several years ago called Where the Day Takes You(1992), where I was a drug dealer. This character is kind of in that direction, but it was a long, long time ago, so this was a new place for me to go. Thank god it did. I remember thinking, if I’m going to go someplace new, who better to take me there as a director than David? Because I know I am going to be completely protected and cared for. And that’s great for me as an actor I don’t have to self-monitor.

Well thought-out and well-played by Mr. MacLachlan, in my opinion.  

I really liked Mr. C, one of my favorite new characters in the Return. 

;-O

- /< /\ /> -

 
Posted : 21/09/2017 9:15 am
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I found Mr. C to be an exciting baddie. Not sure what some folks had in mind, or wanted him to be, but I'm happy we got the dark, stoic, man-of-few-words character rather than a spastic giggle master. 

 
Posted : 21/09/2017 2:36 pm
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What of Mr. C was in the original Cooper who first entered Twin Peaks back in season 1? And what of Mr. C is in the 'final Cooper' of episode 18, who has completed the return?

How to compare the first cooper back in season 1 episode 1 with the final Cooper of episode 18?

 
Posted : 21/09/2017 3:33 pm
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Mr. C and Cooper are two projections inside the "dream". They're based on a real character we never get to meet, since all we know is the story rebuilt by The Dreamer's mind.

In Season 1, The Dreamer describes Cooper as a dark character, which is something we couldn't possibly have figured out until the very end of Season 2. It was a clue most people missed, including myself the first time I watched Twin Peaks.

 
Posted : 21/09/2017 3:51 pm
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Mr C was the character you grew to love. He was bad. But he was earnest in being bad. He was true to his 'bad' calling and resourceful.

He was fallible in the end, but he was lovable along the way.

Learning to have empathy for the 'shadow self' was one lesson I took away from TPTR.

 

 

 
Posted : 21/09/2017 4:09 pm
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Without the Mr C we saw, there'd be no arm wrestling scene.  I can't imagine a cackling, screaming loon like the newborn Doppel Cooper sitting down for that.

 
Posted : 21/09/2017 8:11 pm
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Posted by: Ric Bissell

MacLachlan was channeling a killer shark while he was inhabiting Mr. C - black eyes and all:

How do you conceptualize a character like this in your head? Do you think of him as a human being? A demon? An idea?
He’s a shark. There’s no remorse, there’s no happiness, there’s that quality when the shark is feeding and relishing it, the frenzy — the inhaling of someone’s soul — that’s him. He, for me, was real, insofar as being a living thing. But it was more about playing his force, his energy, his will. Those were the things that I hung onto, as opposed to making him real. He goes to places I haven’t been much as an actor. There was a thing I did several years ago called Where the Day Takes You(1992), where I was a drug dealer. This character is kind of in that direction, but it was a long, long time ago, so this was a new place for me to go. Thank god it did. I remember thinking, if I’m going to go someplace new, who better to take me there as a director than David? Because I know I am going to be completely protected and cared for. And that’s great for me as an actor I don’t have to self-monitor.

Well thought-out and well-played by Mr. MacLachlan, in my opinion.  

I really liked Mr. C, one of my favorite new characters in the Return. 

;-O

- /< /\ /> -

Loved the film Where the Day Takes You. Kyle was great in it. Was a stark contrast between Dale Cooper. Balthazar Getty is in that one as well as is Laura Flynn Boyle and a host of others that would eventually become "famous". 

 
Posted : 21/09/2017 8:31 pm
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Posted by: SamXTherapy

Without the Mr C we saw, there'd be no arm wrestling scene.  I can't imagine a cackling, screaming loon like the newborn Doppel Cooper sitting down for that.

What is this kindergarten? 

 
Posted : 21/09/2017 8:32 pm
(@ric_bissell)
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Hi Murat,
 
Posted by: Murat Erol Özkan

What of Mr. C was in the original Cooper who first entered Twin Peaks back in season 1?

My answer to this question is to quote MacLachlan:

"...his force, his energy, his will."

In these three aspects, Copper and Mr. C are like twins.  Twin Peaks.  😉

- /< /\ /> -

 
Posted : 22/09/2017 10:07 am
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Posted by: Teo Peaks

I miss the bad Dale from the last episode of the 2nd season, the whole "Where's Annie" attitude, or him smiling at the camera in the lodge, that was great. 

In comparison, Mr. C, who's supposed to be him, is rather boring I find.

Childish perversity was way more interesting than this cold-blooded batman-voiced murderer.

It doesn't have to be the same person.

 
Posted : 22/09/2017 10:16 am
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But it is the same person

 
Posted : 22/09/2017 6:21 pm
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I'm a villain fiend and I think Mr. C is an exquisite villain. The (evolution of the) arm wrestling scene, the emotionless demands that cannot be disobeyed, his dry wit "put something better at your front door", his unquenchable thirst for cell phones, absolute disaffection for his next of kin, the bizarre tactic of squeezing Jack's face   and above all the most disturbing smile which he only elicits us once the entire season. He also has the most sinister half pony tail I've ever seen. his theme song is also fantastic! No disappointment here!

 
Posted : 28/09/2017 11:42 pm
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