Anyone read Laura Palmer's diary? (White horse question...)  

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(@arcadesonfire)
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I've heard that the white horse is discussed in the book The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer (if I have that title correct). So it was something she had written about, and that book offered some explanation why the horse shows up when Bob/Leland goes for the kill.

So seeing as how we've now seen the ceramic white horse in Carrie Paige's apartment, and seeing as that Carrie is wearing a necklace with a horseshoe, I'm wondering if there's anything more to be said about that darn white horse. Has anyone read that novel? Got any ideas? 

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Posted : 28/09/2017 1:05 pm
(@caoimhin)
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Don't forget that the horse is also the White of the eyes and dark within. 

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Posted : 28/09/2017 2:01 pm
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(@arcadesonfire)
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Oooh. Good point. How did that slip off my mind!?

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Posted : 28/09/2017 2:05 pm
(@andrew_glasson)
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Well in The Secret Diary Benjamin Horne buys a pony for Laura for her birthday called Troy.  But there is no mention of a white horse in her room as I recall.

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Posted : 28/09/2017 2:19 pm
(@b-randy)
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Posted by: Andrew Glasson

Well in The Secret Diary Benjamin Horne buys a pony for Laura for her birthday called Troy.  But there is no mention of a white horse in her room as I recall.

Basically what I was going to say.  I don't remember much else aside from creepy Ben Horne buying an adolescent girl who's not his daughter a white horse or pony. It was always theorized that this was the white horse that Sarah saw, but I don't remember if there was anything more to it than fan conjecture. 

Guess I better read the diary again.  I was in high school last time I read it. 🙂

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Posted : 28/09/2017 3:45 pm
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(@woodsman-nick)
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I have a copy of it, will have to go back thru it again since it's been quite awhile since I read it. From what theories are circulating out there already that I've read and thought about: some interpretations of the white horse are less of a plot device and more of a symbol – specifically for drugs or to be in a drug-induced state. Sarah saw the horse on 2 occasions after being drugged by Leland, shortly before BOB took over Leland and killed Laura and later Maddy. I had originally interpreted the horse as the Pale Horse of Death, and so therefore was a symbol of death, but I think I've adjusted that idea now to the horse symbolizes drugs, which is the vehicle upon which "Death" rides.

Now why it ends up in Carrie Page's house in the end of the finale, that one still eludes me. Oh and why we see a flash of the horse when Laura flies out of the Lodge... also a mystery. BUT: it's also not impossible that the horse could function in 2 different forms?

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Posted : 28/09/2017 4:27 pm
(@colacentral)
Lodger

I'm quite certain the horse is Judy.

Jeffries shows Cooper the number 8 and says "this is where you'll find Judy." Obviously, this seems to suggest the infinity symbol, but I think it's also an instruction to the audience: episodes 8 and 18 are where you'll find Judy. 8 is the episode that contains more Lodge mythology / back story than any other. It ends with the Woodsman chanting "the horse is the white of the eye, and dark within," before walking into the night to the sound of neighing horses.

Look at the beef jerky that Sarah freaks out at: the symbol on it in reality is meant to represent a cow's head, but it also resembles the owl cave symbol. It also in turn resembles a horse head (those horns could easily be interpreted as horse ears).

The Experiment itself is completely white (as well as the Venus sculpture). Think about the phrase "the horse is the white of the eye, and dark within," and look at the playing card Mr. C shows Daria: can that not be considered to resemble an eye (white background, large black circle at centre)? 

Another clue: Laura opens her face and inside she's pure white light. Sarah opens her face and she's dark within, just like "the horse."

This is a big part of the reason why I think we're left with a negative ending or a cliffhanger at the end of 18: Carrie is working at Judy's Diner (so literally working for Judy). The diner in a sense is guarded by a white horse totem, again linking it to Judy. The white horse is inside Carrie's house. She wears an upside down horse shoe around her neck, a symbol of bad luck and perhaps an indication that Judy / the Horse "owns" her.

The season opened with the Fireman warning that "it's in our house now." It ends with Tremond (a name we associate with the Black Lodge) claiming that they "own this house." So first they broke in, now they own it. I think this links Cooper's fate to Chet Desmond's: both have been lost to the Black Lodge in proximity to the 6 pole and encountering a home owned by Tremond / Chalfont..

Another point on the horse being "the white of the eye and dark within": this links it to Sarah's milk and Laura's cocaine (which are quite blatantly cut between in FWWM to create that link). They both on the surface represent something "good": the milk is a nice gesture by Leland, the cocaine helps Laura get through her life. But both substances contain something sinister which does more harm than good. 

I think the horse / Judy also represents death.

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Posted : 28/09/2017 5:26 pm
(@moonchild)
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Yes I just read it last month and the horse in it is just her pony. There are no other "horses" involved. 

But remember that in Christianity and in most of the western world the horse is a symbol of imminent death and the upside down horseshoe is a symbol of bad luck.

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Posted : 28/09/2017 5:27 pm
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(@julie_loader)
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Posted by: Anthony Marley

I'm quite certain the horse is Judy.

Jeffries shows Cooper the number 8 and says "this is where you'll find Judy." Obviously, this seems to suggest the infinity symbol, but I think it's also an instruction to the audience: episodes 8 and 18 are where you'll find Judy. 8 is the episode that contains more Lodge mythology / back story than any other. It ends with the Woodsman chanting "the horse is the white of the eye, and dark within," before walking into the night to the sound of neighing horses.

Look at the beef jerky that Sarah freaks out at: the symbol on it in reality is meant to represent a cow's head, but it also resembles the owl cave symbol. It also in turn resembles a horse head (those horns could easily be interpreted as horse ears).

The Experiment itself is completely white (as well as the Venus sculpture). Think about the phrase "the horse is the white of the eye, and dark within," and look at the playing card Mr. C shows Daria: can that not be considered to resemble an eye (white background, large black circle at centre)? 

Another clue: Laura opens her face and inside she's pure white light. Sarah opens her face and she's dark within, just like "the horse."

This is a big part of the reason why I think we're left with a negative ending or a cliffhanger at the end of 18: Carrie is working at Judy's Diner (so literally working for Judy). The diner in a sense is guarded by a white horse totem, again linking it to Judy. The white horse is inside Carrie's house. She wears an upside down horse shoe around her neck, a symbol of bad luck and perhaps an indication that Judy / the Horse "owns" her.

The season opened with the Fireman warning that "it's in our house now." It ends with Tremond (a name we associate with the Black Lodge) claiming that they "own this house." So first they broke in, now they own it. I think this links Cooper's fate to Chet Desmond's: both have been lost to the Black Lodge in proximity to the 6 pole and encountering a home owned by Tremond / Chalfont..

Another point on the horse being "the white of the eye and dark within": this links it to Sarah's milk and Laura's cocaine (which are quite blatantly cut between in FWWM to create that link). They both on the surface represent something "good": the milk is a nice gesture by Leland, the cocaine helps Laura get through her life. But both substances contain something sinister which does more harm than good. 

I think the horse / Judy also represents death.

Wow, so interesting!  Bravo!

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Posted : 28/09/2017 6:25 pm
(@julie_loader)
Deputy

I bought the diary when it was first released and haven't read it since. Guess I was thinking there were only clues to her murderer in it, but of course there could be lots more!

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Posted : 28/09/2017 6:27 pm
(@arcadesonfire)
Roadhouse Regular

Thank s everybody! I'll reply for real tomorrow. 

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Posted : 29/09/2017 12:46 am
(@ozan_yalin)
Lodger

a simple look to the horses in dreams

Horse Dream Meaning and Interpretations

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Posted : 29/09/2017 1:38 am
(@lynn_watson)
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The pony in the Secret Diary was reddish - I'd looked it up in the episode with Hawk's map in it as that had a red horse on it.

That's something that still niggles me about the ending - Hawk just faded out after seeming to be important.  I'm hoping that means there's more info to come...? 

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Posted : 29/09/2017 7:15 am
(@dopplearb)
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Everybody faded out who was important, not only Hawk. Gordon was with Diane when Cooper went into the Red Room and then he's gone when they meet back up. What happened? Only one month to final dossier!

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Posted : 29/09/2017 11:13 am
(@b-randy)
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Posted by: Lynn Watson

The pony in the Secret Diary was reddish - I'd looked it up in the episode with Hawk's map in it as that had a red horse on it.

That's something that still niggles me about the ending - Hawk just faded out after seeming to be important.  I'm hoping that means there's more info to come...? 

I've had that very same feeling about Hawk, others too, but Hawk fade-away most specifically disturbs me.

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Posted : 29/09/2017 5:01 pm
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