I think Jowday was just a silly retrofit to match Jeffries's southern drawl when Judy was first introduced in FWWM. If TSHOTP is any indication, I would expect Jowday to be Sumerian/Babylonian inspired despite Lynch's penchant for far eastern fetishism.
"One chants out between two worlds" or in Laura's case screams.
One *chance* out between two worlds
Chants. Mike enunciates it very clearly.
It's also spelled out that way in every subtitle I've ever seen.
Dunno bout that but I reckon the whole scene was clumsy. After weeks of little or no exposition, we get a great big lump of it right there.
Story and ending aside, that part was, IMO, piss poor writing.
It's interesting that Gordon apologizes for it. Albert says that he understands, to which Gordon says he knows but is sorry anyway.
Seems like another case of coded language from Lynch and Frost to us, the audience.
I was just googling up on jowday , jiou dai , jou dae
and because of not knowing the spelling took a while but added the word Tibet to my search and got a Tibetan calendar app link so downloaded it turns out 1956 , the year we first see Judy is the year of the fire-monkey. Coincidence I think not .
I was just googling up on jowday , jiou dai , jou dae
and because of not knowing the spelling took a while but added the word Tibet to my search and got a Tibetan calendar app link so downloaded it turns out 1956 , the year we first see Judy is the year of the fire-monkey. Coincidence I think not . If anything I think my mind can think a little less about why a smegging monkey whispers the name judy at the end of fire walk with me.
Could it be spelt Xiao De?
I also thought Cole's comment was thrown in at the last minute and without much thought. There were 18 episodes to throw subtle suggestions. Definitely piss poor writing, thrown in just to ensure nobody could say it wasn't covered.
Why go through the trouble of showing that amazing scene of the glass box in episode 1 just to conclude it with that one line?
If the Spelling were xiou de it would translate into English as ...............
" Goodbye virtue"
Best answer yet.............
I came here hoping to see whether "Jowday" (as per the subtitles) had appeared previously, like Babalon or the Moonchild or dugpas or tulpas (I haven't read TSHOTP yet), but it seems we're all in the same boat.
I would not say it's bad writing. Otherwise lots of other things that happened in the finale (Naido=Diane for instance) could be dismissed in the same way. I was ready to accept it as a reveal of something that had been mentioned before, such as 430 (miles). The Tibetan/Chinese hypotheses are fine with me; what disturbs me most is that there is NO previous reference to this name.
Also, Jowday-Judy as a bad guy just doesn't cut it for me, Ep. 8 notwithstanding. Was she Mother? Did she kill the two lovers in NYC? Was she the frogroach? Was she inside Sarah? (I still don't believe Frog Girl = Sarah, I think she was just a metaphor of lost innocence.) Was she the symbol on the mountain? Was she in the Palmer house at the very end?
It may be that she was all of this, but unfortunately none of this together inspired in me the menace that BOB was in the Original TP and, very briefly, in The Return. Judy was just an intellectual threat for me, not a tangible, visible threat as BOB was. Alas, we could not have Frank Silva back, but for the moment (I still have to rewatch and rethink) the ending of The Return doesn't hold a candle to the ending of S2. Judy had just too many arcane incarnations to be really scary for me.
I would have preferred it if Judy wasn't revealed, and the ongoing "who is Judy" was left a mystery.
In place of this, the mother/experiment was instead given a bit more ongoing exposition (not a lot, just a bit) and we were given some insight into what Mr C was trying to accomplish.
Very sloppy indeed.
I came here hoping to see whether "Jowday" (as per the subtitles) had appeared previously, like Babalon or the Moonchild or dugpas or tulpas (I haven't read TSHOTP yet), but it seems we're all in the same boat.
I would not say it's bad writing. Otherwise lots of other things that happened in the finale (Naido=Diane for instance) could be dismissed in the same way. I was ready to accept it as a reveal of something that had been mentioned before, such as 430 (miles). The Tibetan/Chinese hypotheses are fine with me; what disturbs me most is that there is NO previous reference to this name.
Also, Jowday-Judy as a bad guy just doesn't cut it for me, Ep. 8 notwithstanding. Was she Mother? Did she kill the two lovers in NYC? Was she the frogroach? Was she inside Sarah? (I still don't believe Frog Girl = Sarah, I think she was just a metaphor of lost innocence.) Was she the symbol on the mountain? Was she in the Palmer house at the very end?
I rewatched Gordon's monologue and I think it can be interpreted in a couple of ways. On one level, it is Lynch seeming to "level" with us, the viewers, and apologizing for keeping things a secret. Here's the secret: Judy is this big bad thing that Cooper was hunting. In keeping with the spirit of the first part of E17, the "happy ending" where everything is simple and quickly resolved.
But then you listen to what he's saying and it starts to fall apart. This is a total ret-con of the show, and Lynch seems aware of the falsity of that (that's why he's apologizing). And it doesn't fit the facts as we seem to know them. Cooper knew all along that Judy was what he was after? Then why did Badcoop not know who Judy was and need to ask Jeffries about her, leading to all those theories of a few weeks ago? (Judy is Major Briggs, Judy is Audrey, Judy is Laura, Judy is Gordon Cole, etc...) If BOB/Badcoop can't tell that Judy is "Mother," why is that something that Gordon or the audience can figure out? I think we have to concede that the equation of mother = Judy = the experiment = Sarah = the thing that spawned BOB = etc etc etc is suggested, but it's not close to proven in the show.
As in the real world, where evil comes from is left a mystery. Sometimes it's banal and kind of procedural; sometimes it's violent and cruel; sometimes it is something people "let in." That cruelty is all around us and is very much in evidence in TP (whatever happened with Stephen and Becky - or Leo and Shelly, or any number of other dreadful subplots - did not require any assistance from Judy to take place!).
So I think Lynch may be saying something like, the boogeyman (BOB) might be defeated by a hero; but real evil is always around and is both bigger and more commonplace than that.
Dunno bout that but I reckon the whole scene was clumsy. After weeks of little or no exposition, we get a great big lump of it right there.
Story and ending aside, that part was, IMO, piss poor writing.
Hmmm?
I took this and many other scenes as if someone was describing a dream. They way the dream unfolds and changes as you try to remember and describe it to someone. The same for some of the Roadhouse scenes. When the girl(name?) is describing the Billy incident and keeps trying to remember if her uncle was there is the same way I've tried to remember dreams when telling them to someone.
Cole has more then one scene that plays out this way. After encountering the vortex with Albert and Hastings, his explanation is odd. He suddenly remembers they saw the woodsmen and it sounds much like someone explaining a half remembered dream. To some, it could seem like bad acting or bad writing but to me it just seemed like someone caught in a dream and acting accordingly.
Judy + Garland (Briggs' first name) = Judy Garland, of Wizard of Oz, the novel/movie. Judy Garland's character in the novel/movie was the dreaming, or was the dreamer?
So I think Lynch may be saying something like, the boogeyman (BOB) might be defeated by a hero; but real evil is always around and is both bigger and more commonplace than that.
I agree, and think that's why we shouldn't be too quick to say that Dale failed again at the end of season 3. He *can't* succeed on his own against Judy. It's out of his league.
However, Laura possibly can, and so how one views the ending probably rests on what one thinks happened with the scream. I understand it as Carrie reawakening as Laura, and therefore I see hope within all the darkness. *shrug*
A wrong explanation to the name "Jowday" but I give you for free :
The first USSR successfull atomic bomb test happened in 1949.
It was codenamed "Joe-1" by the americans (Joe = Joseph Stalin)
Well, maybe "Joe-day" was the day of birth of another mother evil entity. A soviet one.
Told you that this explanation was wrong 😉
I think the hardest thing about trying to figure out Jowday or Judy or what have you with the scenes we have is trying to figure out a linear explanation for a non linear entity. And on top of that, from a storytelling or writing perspective, I think Judy was an idea in FWWM but more fully developed and I'm going to be changed for the Return.
For me the core of Judy, (and I still think Judy is in Sarah,) is in the scene with Sarah sitting and watching the boxing match. What I see is a malevolent creature as a spectator to an event where a man almost gets knocked out in a boxing match but gets back up over and over and over; while she herself is outside of that time loop and free to function in her own continuous time stream.
So if this ending has implied that Cooper continually comes back to that point in the lodge where Mike is asking him, "Is it future? Or is it past?" and then tries to leave through any number of different curtains to try and subvert Judy or save Laura; it has for me also implied that Judy is content to hide in her host and watch him knock himself out over and over again.
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