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(@jasetotheg)
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three sets and 2 matched .... who were the other 2 other than Diane?  Sorry I'm probably having a brain fart.

but it's clear Mr C didn't trust the 2 that matched since he used Richard as a guinea pig.  Soooooo ... 3rd coordinates are the sheriffs station in TP?

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Posted : 27/08/2017 9:04 pm
(@caoimhin)
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Ray and Jeffries.

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Posted : 27/08/2017 10:03 pm
(@caoimhin)
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The question then becomes, Who gave him the incorrect coordinates?

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Posted : 27/08/2017 10:04 pm
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(@matthew_gladney)
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I'm somewhat confused.

First, we need to discern where the 3 coordinates came from.

Ray?
Jeffries?
Diane?

The problem with it being Diane is that, from our perspective, at least, while we saw Diane discovering the coordinates for herself in the hotel bar, we only ever saw her send them to Mr. C after he texted her the ":-) ALL" message, which was after the scene where he said he'd received 3 coordinates.

So, who gave him the third set?

 

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Posted : 27/08/2017 10:11 pm
(@jasetotheg)
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Posted by: Caoimhín Shirey

Ray and Jeffries.

Thanks I remembered Jeffries gave coordinates last ep ... but wasn't that under the guise of where Mr c could find Judy?  So Judy is at the sheriffs station?

and did Ray give him actual coordinates?  I thought he just told him Jeffries was at the Dutchman??? 

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Posted : 27/08/2017 10:11 pm
(@caemeron)
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Posted by: Matthew Gladney

I'm somewhat confused.

First, we need to discern where the 3 coordinates came from.

Ray?
Jeffries?
Diane?

The problem with it being Diane is that, from our perspective, at least, while we saw Diane discovering the coordinates for herself in the hotel bar, we only ever saw her send them to Mr. C after he texted her the ":-) ALL" message, which was after the scene where he said he'd received 3 coordinates.

So, who gave him the third set?

 

Right. This is what is making my head spin. It would appear that Diane only sent him the coordinates from Ruth's body after Richard had died, because she is responding to the smiley face text. 

Ray gave him a piece of paper that was supposed to have coordinates from Hastings' assistant Betty, but these could have been given to him by Jeffries, since it seems established the Jeffries did call Ray.

People have been thinking that the coordinates Jeffries gave Mr C were the same as those on Ruth's, but we actually only see the first few numbers and not the whole set. So, maybe it was instead to somewhere CLOSE to those, but not the same. Note that Richard died close to Twin Peaks (see: Jerry)

So, it would make sense to me if Ray and Jeffries were the two to give him those coordinates, and this was another plan to get him back into the lodge.

But then what was the third set Mr C referred to in talking to Richard, which again, appears to have occurred BEFORE Diane sent him that text with coordinates in this episode.

So, did he have another source for coordinates that I am failing to remember? Or is this the second set Diane has sent him? And weren't the ones from Jeffries supposed to lead to Judy?

Call for help.

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Posted : 27/08/2017 10:31 pm
(@epicesquire)
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Ray was working against Mr. C -- therefore, I posit that Ray gave him the wrong coordinates so Mr. C would be electrocuted back to the red room

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Posted : 27/08/2017 10:33 pm
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(@lynn_watson)
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But wasn't Diane shown the doctored co-ordinates from Ruth's arm (by Albert) there was a couple of digits swapped around or something (26)?

Though I'm a bit puzzled at what she texted after the 🙂 message...

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Posted : 27/08/2017 10:41 pm
(@caoimhin)
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Posted by: EpicEsquire

Ray was working against Mr. C -- therefore, I posit that Ray gave him the wrong coordinates so Mr. C would be electrocuted back to the red room

It appears that Jeffries was also working against Mr C, so maybe the one that didn't match the other two is real. 

But, as Lynn also points out, the coordinates from Ruth's arm had some smudged numbers, so who knows. 

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Posted : 27/08/2017 10:44 pm
(@ollie_barkovic)
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Ray, Jeffries teapot and Ruths arm Diane saw are the 3 co-or.

The arm photo was altered by Albert thus being the incorrect co-or.

I feel that Gordon Et al have been spying on Diane since they deputized her.

How did Gordon know she was at the door? He just said "Come in Diane". 

They were monitoring her cell communications. 

I think they have been suspicious the whole time. They noticed something at the jail after she meet with Mr C.

Gordon sure seemed to be very interested in all the electronics, just waiting for her to send Coop the planted  co-or.

When she did send them in the bar they knew it was game on.

They were ready to shoot her.

They knew what ALL meant.

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Posted : 28/08/2017 12:21 am
(@severelyatomicmagazine)
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The first time we see her texting coordinates, she mouthed numbers to herself as she typed in her phone, and then says "+2".

After tonight's episode, I now wonder if she sent Mr C slightly wrong coordinates…that would take him to the Twin Peaks area but not to the exact spot he's looking for.

Haven't really figured out how this connects  to the other coordinates leading Mr. C to a place where he would have been killed/sent back to the lodge.… 

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Posted : 28/08/2017 12:28 am
(@jasetotheg)
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Posted by: Ollie Barkovic

Ray, Jeffries teapot and Ruths arm Diane saw are the 3 co-or.

The arm photo was altered by Albert thus being the incorrect co-or.

I feel that Gordon Et al have been spying on Diane since they deputized her.

How did Gordon know she was at the door? He just said "Come in Diane". 

They were monitoring her cell communications. 

I think they have been suspicious the whole time. They noticed something at the jail after she meet with Mr C.

Gordon sure seemed to be very interested in all the electronics, just waiting for her to send Coop the planted  co-or.

When she did send them in the bar they knew it was game on.

They were ready to shoot her.

They knew what ALL meant.

"The arm photo was altered by Albert thus being the incorrect co-or." 

Did we ever get confirmation the photo was doctored.  I know there was a lot of speculation, but don't remember that being proven. 

 

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Posted : 28/08/2017 12:29 am
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Posted by: JaseToTheG
Posted by: Ollie Barkovic

Ray, Jeffries teapot and Ruths arm Diane saw are the 3 co-or.

The arm photo was altered by Albert thus being the incorrect co-or.

I feel that Gordon Et al have been spying on Diane since they deputized her.

How did Gordon know she was at the door? He just said "Come in Diane". 

They were monitoring her cell communications. 

I think they have been suspicious the whole time. They noticed something at the jail after she meet with Mr C.

Gordon sure seemed to be very interested in all the electronics, just waiting for her to send Coop the planted  co-or.

When she did send them in the bar they knew it was game on.

They were ready to shoot her.

They knew what ALL meant.

"The arm photo was altered by Albert thus being the incorrect co-or." 

Did we ever get confirmation the photo was doctored.  I know there was a lot of speculation, but don't remember that being proven. 

 

Hmm... I thought someone confirmed it... maybe not.  

Like peeling an onion. 

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Posted : 28/08/2017 12:46 am
(@fumiko)
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Yeah there's something misleading about the 3 sets that I can't quite put my finger on.  We know Ray/Teapot Jeffries gave him coordinates, and we know Diane did too, but the timing of hers is suspicious.  That might suggest another source gave Mr. C coordinates as well. 

If we go back to Hasting's testimony; we know that Ruth Davenport was with him, but it was Hasting's secretary who had the coordinates; not Ruth (though Ruth had them written on her arm).  They sort of mention in passing that Hasting's secretary was killed in a car explosion (Mackley says this to the FBI team when they are being briefed in Buckhorn).  

I guess the 3rd set came directly from Hasting's secretary.  Mr. C must've obtained them somewhow, and we do know he was in Buckhorn when he killed Hasting's wife.  

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Posted : 28/08/2017 7:51 am
(@devaneyfan)
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In ep12, Diane mapped the coordinates using her phone but I can't recall seeing her texting them until ep16.  

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Posted : 28/08/2017 8:00 am
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