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Posted by: Jesse Newkirk

In any case, I hope that next week, we see Eddie Veddar and Trent Reznor cover James Hurley's "Just You"!!

That might actually be the best thing that could ever happen to that song.

 
Posted : 28/08/2017 5:56 pm
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I don't think James is dead but we do know that he was in an accident on his motorcycle so maybe like Audrey he is in some sort of bad mental state.  Maybe that specific jailhouse scene was all from James POV and why we saw his super-hero Freddie there in the other cell. 

We'll probably never know for sure with Lynch...

 
Posted : 28/08/2017 5:59 pm
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Posted by: Sammy Weir

Coincidence that Richard gets destroyed by electricity and when we see Audrey in the mirror electricity crackles? Maybe him dying is what was needed to wake her up from wherever she is.

That is what I was kind of thinking/hoping for...

 
Posted : 28/08/2017 6:07 pm
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I agree; I thought she was considering shooting herself with the gun.

 
Posted : 28/08/2017 6:12 pm
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Posted by: Bela Moschkovich

Diane turned out to be a tulpa and when she acknowledged that, she drew her gun to kill the FBI folks.

Am I the only one who thought she was drawing the gun to kill herself?

Yes I thought so, when I thought that she was redeeming herself at the bar when I thought she sent bad coordinates initially to Mr. C. I was wrong. Why did she send the coordinates again?

I think Diane sent it because she was programmed to do it by Mr. C. The reaction she had to his text was unnatural.

 
Posted : 28/08/2017 6:14 pm
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Posted by: Mike Harris

I so got the opposite feeling about the Roadhouse scene... the whole thing was as surreal as it gets with Audrey dancing. (and watch the crowd behind her as well)  I'm still thinking that these Roadhouse scenes are "tulpas"  ... the collective dreamthoughts of many characters.

The beggining of the scene, to me, feels too real. There's an establishing shot, there are people all around, and when they walk in it's clear Audrey's in discomfort like she really doesn't like or isn't used to being around a lot of people. Then, when the man announces "Audrey's Dance", I think it's some sort of struggle between her tulpa and her real self in a dream state. That's when it gets surreal for me.

 
Posted : 28/08/2017 6:17 pm
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Posted by: Jesse Newkirk

I don't know, I don't think it's going to make full coherent sense in the end. But my big issue with the Roadhouse scenes all being dreams (in James's head, in Audrey's, in whomever's) is that James and ol' Green Glove got taken to jail after the ruckus last week. That tells me that real stuff happens at the Roadhouse. Unless... I guess it's possible James is dead and everything there is his post-death dream (like, he always wanted for Shelly to think he was cool??).

I really can't figure out Audrey. But I wonder if when people saw her do that dance to the weird music back in 1990, they thought it was just as weird. Last night, it really stood out cuz everyone in the room was noticing it, whereas in the originals, she just did it on her own.

Oh, another odd thing about last night's Roadhouse scene: There was a fight about a man's wife, mirroring the prior week's scene.

Who knows.

I dont think ALL of the scenes are fake. I think they are dispersed and that is the red herring. you dont know WHICH are fake.

 
Posted : 28/08/2017 7:03 pm
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So then is Edward Louis Severson III Eddie Vedder's doppel/tulpa?

 
Posted : 28/08/2017 7:06 pm
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I so got the opposite feeling about the Roadhouse scene... the whole thing was as surreal as it gets with Audrey dancing. (and watch the crowd behind her as well)  I'm still thinking that these Roadhouse scenes are "tulpas"  ... the collective dreamthoughts of many characters.

The beggining of the scene, to me, feels too real. There's an establishing shot, there are people all around, and when they walk in it's clear Audrey's in discomfort like she really doesn't like or isn't used to being around a lot of people. Then, when the man announces "Audrey's Dance", I think it's some sort of struggle between her tulpa and her real self in a dream state. That's when it gets surreal for me.

But the Announcer was in the second season, only he was exclusively in the Red Room. my thinking is that she has been in a walking coma/trance in a sanitarium. Her scene in all white looked real, not surreal like every other "otherworldly" scene which is heavily altered by effects and filters.

Also, it would make sense for Mr C to NOT make a tulpa/doppelganger because he wanted her to give birth to his child (in my mind for the reason of checking coordinates that could kill Mr C) so she just went insane afterwards

 
Posted : 28/08/2017 7:07 pm
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Posted by: Bela Moschkovich

, now I'm thinking Audrey's psychotic break (hallucinating about Audrey's Dance, flash to that white-out scene) is actually Lynch & Frost giving us some insight to a tulpa's point of view on that moment of insight when the tulpa realizes they are not the real person after whom they were modeled.

And the real Audrey, in the white-out mirror scene, is trapped somewhere else. Maybe a different dimension? 

 

If I remember correctly Diane's tulpa said "I don't know who I am" or something to that effect before pulling out her gun. Audrey said the same thing to Charlie.

 
Posted : 28/08/2017 7:20 pm
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She did and did and it did seem to echo Audrey.

I'm not sure that this is a clue or a connection to unpack a specific hidden explanation. I think it's a more of generally suggestive allusion, a recurrence of the motif of confused identity, that is heightened in other states (of waking, dreaming), mental disturbance, intersection of realities and so forth.

 
Posted : 28/08/2017 7:26 pm
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I also liked how in the same episode both Agent Coop and Audrey "awake" from their state. 

Plus, to add support to the theory that Audrey has been imagining all these scenes with Charlie is when Lynch suddenly shows us Audrey "waking up" with her reflection in a mirror.  I believe this is a direct reference to Through the Looking Glass which metaphorically means living in a strange parallel world.

 
Posted : 28/08/2017 7:31 pm
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My initial reaction was that she's in some other dimension / lodge type place. Two reasons that really jumped out at my were the fact that the music plays in reverse after we see her "wake up" and characters dancing in odd / inappropriate times was such a big clue for Leland being Bob in the original. "Where we're from the birds sing a pretty song and there's always music in the air."

Even in the original I felt like the Roadhouse was some sort of halfway point between the lodges and reality (the giant appeared there several times with messages for Cooper)

I also think that Audrey and Dale are still connected and that's why their wake up / Richard's "death" all happen in the same episode. After reading the above though I do think it's totally plausible that she has a tulpa as well. When Diane said I'm not me Audrey was immediately what I thought of just hadn't put it together in my brain quite so nicely yet haha

 
Posted : 28/08/2017 7:58 pm
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Posted by: Jesse Newkirk

In any case, I hope that next week, we see Eddie Veddar and Trent Reznor cover James Hurley's "Just You"!!

That might actually be the best thing that could ever happen to that song.

They couldn't make it any worse.

 
Posted : 28/08/2017 8:10 pm
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Posted by: Mike Harris

I so got the opposite feeling about the Roadhouse scene... the whole thing was as surreal as it gets with Audrey dancing. (and watch the crowd behind her as well)  I'm still thinking that these Roadhouse scenes are "tulpas"  ... the collective dreamthoughts of many characters.

The beggining of the scene, to me, feels too real. There's an establishing shot, there are people all around, and when they walk in it's clear Audrey's in discomfort like she really doesn't like or isn't used to being around a lot of people. Then, when the man announces "Audrey's Dance", I think it's some sort of struggle between her tulpa and her real self in a dream state. That's when it gets surreal for me.

But the Announcer was in the second season, only he was exclusively in the Red Room. my thinking is that she has been in a walking coma/trance in a sanitarium. Her scene in all white looked real, not surreal like every other "otherworldly" scene which is heavily altered by effects and filters.

Also, it would make sense for Mr C to NOT make a tulpa/doppelganger because he wanted her to give birth to his child (in my mind for the reason of checking coordinates that could kill Mr C) so she just went insane afterwards

Hold on, Mr. Jackpots.  When you write But the Announcer was in the second season, only he was exclusively in the Red Room.  are you confusing Jimmy Scott who sang Sycamore Trees with the MC at the Roadhouse?  These two are not the same character, nor the same actor.  Apologies if I have misunderstood your post entirely. 

 
Posted : 28/08/2017 8:17 pm
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