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Let's face it, the plot lines might not tie up by the end

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(@caoimhin)
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Posted by: SamXTherapy
Posted by: Sammy Weir

Lynch to fully sell out and have a battle with dragons, naked women and ice zombies 

Can we lose the dragons and ice zombies?

No. but we can add sparkle, scratchy arm pits and, of course, 1-1-9! 1-1-9!

 
Posted : 25/08/2017 3:32 am
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I agree with most people saying plot lines are not as important as it's not about that when watching a Lynch film and i do consider this project of his to be an 18 part film. But having said that i do believe that we will get SOME closure but in my opinion the main mystery will stay partially unsolved just because of the prospect of revisiting for a season 4. 

I know some of you might believe that's not possible but seeing how much free reign he has got on this project it seems to me like we can get a follow up either sometime soon or in a couple of years.

In addition there's also nothing stopping him from having a 2 hour special as the last episode? Something like a mini movie i don't know im just hoping it doesnt end at this point!

 
Posted : 25/08/2017 3:47 am
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Posted by: TrooppinenElli
Posted by: Steve Moss

Lynch & Frost didn't get to clear up the loose ends because ABC cancelled Twin Peaks after 2 seasons. The events in Fire Walk With Me, Season 3 and the 2 Dossier books are their opportunity to complete their story. A lot can happen in 3 episodes and we still have The Final Dossier to look forward to. 

This was my expectation as well, and this is what the general public were LEAD to believe given all the pre-hype from Showtime: that one of their favourite TV dramas will be concluded in a deserving fashion. Season 2 could be summarized as a miserable sea of sub plots, which seemed to be written kind of ad hoc, as Twin Peaks writers were planning an on-going series and probably didn't know where they were going with it.

As a hardcore fan of Twin Peak, I read TP:SHOTP (terrible read btw, even though the Nuclear Bomb episode makes much more sense after reading the book) and watched FWWM, even though they weren't explicitly stated as precursory material for S03. But TP audience as large won't go, and shouldn't be expected to go, through such nuisance to enjoy S03. 18 hours is plenty to tell a compelling story, and if Lynch & Frost fail to deliver, then it just displays lack of competence on their part IMO. Bear in mind, Lynch specifically required S03 to be 18 hours instead of 9, which at this point seems like a hubris. (I'm willing to retract my statement if this season, which still seems like a messy Rubik's cube after 15 hours of unscrambling, comes together in the end. But it's not looking good.)

While I admit part of Twin Peaks' appeal has been the presence of weekly watercooler effect, the S03 would've done better with 2-hour instalments each week. It's not like we've witnessed a mesmerizing cliffhanger at the end of each episode.

E: Will not be reading the Final Dossier even if the ending of this season would blow my socks off. TSHOTP was terrible, like said, and and I'm afraid The Final Dossier will be nothing but a cash grab to milk the last drop out of Twin Peaks boom, before it's finally buried.

Well I've voiced my concerns in the past. 18 hours. We're 15 in and people can still write lists where major unresolved questions rack up into the hundreds. Andy's no-show meeting with the Farmer is a case in point. There's confusion about stolen trucks and who Billy is and why Andy never followed this up or where the Farmer is. Is this all a convention-breaking deconstruction of the television writing process? Become at the moment it's just serving no conceptual, aesthetic or any kind of purpose. The sick girl in the car? I get it. I 100% get it. It's classic Lynch. No need for more. But there is a LOT else that's just a mess of hanging threads without much to make them compelling. 3 hours to go - I hope I understand why all this was put in (don't care about explanations) just why is it here thematically? Because if no reason surfaces in the next 3 hours then it can only be terrible writing and there won't be any excuses left. Did Lynch as for 18 hours so he could throw all this stuff in? Why? Because it's not good in and of itself. (I would argue that everything in Inland Empire is brilliant and thought provoking regardless of narrative). 

 
Posted : 25/08/2017 12:27 pm
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Posted by: laughingatsky

I find it amusing when I see people concerned that there are now too many plot lines to tie up. Have they forgotten they are watching David Lynch? Since when did you see a David Lynch film where the plot lines tied up properly?

Except we're watching a Lynch/Frost joint. Not purely a David Lynch project.

Regardless, at this point, I'll just be happy if the FBI ever leave Buckhorn. Even if it's to go back to Philadelphia. Dear lord, let them get out of Buckhorn. That plot line has been stuck there forever.

 

 
Posted : 25/08/2017 12:30 pm
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There is a part of me wondering if the final two episodes will all converge, much like the final episode of The League of Gentleman (any fans here). All of the random, final scenes of each episode of the series suddenly ties together. 

This means that all the disparate scenes might suddenly come together and we'll all go "aaah". 

That said, it has to be very VERY cleverly done to pull it off in a way that isn't cheesy.

That said, I'm also fully expecting there to be a lot of unanswered questions. Or, as someone pointed out the other day (SamX?) - perhaps the mysteries have all been answered, they're just not clear enough on first viewing, or perhaps the answer is subjective. 

We'll find out in two weeks 🙂

 
Posted : 25/08/2017 12:45 pm
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Lots of folks in here should definitely read up on what surrealistic cinema is.... this is what Lynch does.  I would argue that this season has already been super compelling.... mysterious, scary, hilarious, etc.  Not to mention that the look and sound of this show has been maybe the best ever on tv.

 
Posted : 25/08/2017 12:56 pm
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Except we're watching a Lynch/Frost joint. Not purely a David Lynch project.

Yes, I understand that. Still, no matter what was written in the Lynch/Frost collaborative script, Lynch can still end up doing something different. He did that with the last episode of season 2. That episode was written by Mark Frost and some of the other writers, but Lynch totally changed the red room scenes. It's nothing like it is in the script. It's possible that some of the as yet unexplained bits in The Return could have just been created spontaneously by Lynch rather than written by Lynch and Frost in the script. We can't assume that Frost being 50% of the script writing process isn't going to prevent Lynch from creating inexplicable scenes while actually filming and editing it. 

Lynch filled the ending of season 2 with all kinds of mad nonsense, knowing full well it wasn't getting renewed for a 3rd season. He could be doing a similar thing here while knowing it's not going to return for a 4th. 

I wouldn't actually be too surprised if the end of The Return is Hawk returning from the Black Lodge, headbutting a mirror, and showing the the spirit of Ray in the mirror. 

There is a part of me wondering if the final two episodes will all converge, much like the final episode of The League of Gentleman (any fans here). All of the random, final scenes of each episode of the series suddenly ties together. 

Yes, I am a fan of the League of Gentlemen, and I can remember when season 3 aired, lots of people didn't like it. Many people complained that it wasn't the same as the LoG that they loved from the first 2 seasons. I can remember one person saying it wasn't funny enough. I said, "Why does it have to be funny?" They said, "Because it's a comedy!" Didn't really make sense to me. Why class it as a comedy if you don't think it's funny enough? Why not just accept it as a drama with the occasional funny bit in it?

 
Posted : 25/08/2017 1:55 pm
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To the OP I get that this is Lynch but I personally thought the whole point to bringing back TP was to answer the unresolved questions.. I will understand that not everything will be resolved but I personally thought that there were answers.. 

for example for years .. I mean years it has always bothered me to what happen to Chester Desmond.. the only answer I got was that he is missing.. I might not like the answer but .. it's still an answer.. so as long as I get some kind of answer to at least half these question I will be happy 

 
Posted : 26/08/2017 4:48 pm
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