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(@steve_moss)
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I like the idea that it is a prison.

If Mr C is the boss if the prison, it would make his working day easier if he could remember the coordinates to it's location. 

He didn't look like he knew his way around it or had free reign. I don't think he runs it at all. 

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Posted : 22/08/2017 3:01 am
(@johan_pitz_petersson)
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isn't it said that they live there, and have their meetings.

FWWM - I've been to one of their meetings.

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Posted : 22/08/2017 5:00 am
(@nikolaj_nielsen)
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I agree, the motel is a prison and the bosom lady was a CO. That's the only sense to make out of her unlocking the door. PJ is being incarcerated in the Black Lodge.

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Posted : 22/08/2017 7:33 am
(@hkoe)
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I don't think Mr C is the boss of this place (even though we know it's "not a real place") - he was much more treated like a regular visitor. Before Mr C entered the Motel Behind The Convenience Store he has been tested by the oil-leaking woodsman whether he is a proper Black Lodge Spirit or not - and he passed.

I ran this testing scene frame by frame and it turns out there's not only the face of the Jumping Man but at least one more. See the images. Anyone recognizes Sarah Palmer there? And another much younger women?

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Posted : 22/08/2017 8:16 am
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(@jocelyn)
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Posted by: ericandbahaandcats-blog

I don't think Mr C is the boss of this place (even though we know it's "not a real place") - he was much more treated like a regular visitor. Before Mr C entered the Motel Behind The Convenience Store he has been tested by the oil-leaking woodsman whether he is a proper Black Lodge Spirit or not - and he passed.

I ran this testing scene frame by frame and it turns out there's not only the face of the Jumping Man but at least one more. See the images. Anyone recognizes Sarah Palmer there? And another much younger women?

I agree with this and others who don't see Mr C as boss. I don't think he is boss to anything other than his hired thugs. He WANTS to be and that is what his problem, or his current angst,  is really all about.

Mr C clearly knew how to  access Dutchmans and did not find his way to it from Ray. The creatures there recognized him and also knew that no one wanders into this dimension  by accident. But Mr C didn't know where to go to find Jeffries and really played it all by ear while others guided him around. It didn't surprise him that he never encountered a physical being PJ, as he is familiar with this Lodge world stuff.

Why didn't PJ just kill Mr C? Well it could be that he doesn't want other lodge entities to know what he is up to; thus the need to hire outsiders like Ray. Or it is possible that the PJ in the Dutchmans had nothing to do with the planned hit on Mr C. It looked like this PJ  was confused by Mr C's questions. Either he was bluffing and evading, or someone else is using PJ'S identity to get rid of Mr C. What became of that dark colored box in Argentina ?

Even if this is a kind of prison, I don't see Mr C as the boss.  The one thing that Mr C has over everyone else is his brains. He is trying to figure this whole thing out and has been for over 2 decades. He has learned that the key to his power and freedom is probably hidden in some little symbol on an Ace card. But no one is really in charge yet --this world appears to be ruled by electricity.

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Posted : 22/08/2017 8:57 am
(@fumiko)
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I'm not even sure Jeffries was "there".  He seemed to be able to visit there and communicate with DoppleCoop, but then he disappeared.  So was he really there or could he just swing through for a tea-time chat?   Dopplecoop mentioned before that he was "nowhere" (suggesting the void?).  

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Posted : 22/08/2017 9:08 am
(@jocelyn)
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Posted by: kdawg68

I'm not even sure Jeffries was "there".  He seemed to be able to visit there and communicate with DoppleCoop, but then he disappeared.  So was he really there or could he just swing through for a tea-time chat?   Dopplecoop mentioned before that he was "nowhere" (suggesting the void?).  

Wow, that is right! I forgot about that "nowhere man" aspect.  Makes sense, especially at tea-time ?.

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Posted : 22/08/2017 9:18 am
(@william_de_bruijn)
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Thank you for elaborating on the suggestions I made earlier Fullgomaniak, but it's becoming a bit of a mess now. As I suggested in the earlier motel thread Mr. C visited the Black Lodge and is not questioned or stopped, but he doesn't own the place. It is owned by Mother and BOB and it appears when and where and how théy want it to. 

http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/discuss/twin-peaks-part-15/jeffries-hotel-with-key-teresa-banks-threesome-spot/paged/2/

If Mr. C would be the owner of the 'prison' he would have called for the #8 key. Judy would not need to tell him that she/he can open up for him. So he is clearly visiting. And if the Black Lodge forces 'live above a convenience store' it means that they can also project things for visitors, just as Fireman (now he has a name, of 7 letters instead of 7 question marks, Solved) can do in his White Lodge. The presentation is to tell/show Mr. C that Phillip Jeffries used to be in motel room #8 to keep an eye on Teresa Banks work(in motel room #6) back in 1988.

 I DO like the new idea that the phone ringing announces the arrival (on foot, but he must have followed Mr. C from The Farm) of Richard though!

One last riddle: how did Ray know that Jeffries is to be found at The Dutchman's ('not even a place'. Mr. C: 'I know where it is')? 

 

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Posted : 22/08/2017 9:35 am
(@judy)
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Posted by: Calle Lindroth

so Jeffrey is a percolator these days ?

Very fishy.

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Posted : 22/08/2017 9:35 am
(@tapiola)
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Posted by: kdawg68

I'm not even sure Jeffries was "there".  He seemed to be able to visit there and communicate with DoppleCoop, but then he disappeared.  So was he really there or could he just swing through for a tea-time chat?   Dopplecoop mentioned before that he was "nowhere" (suggesting the void?).  

this thought rings true to me. as in the percolator-vessel was perhaps not phillip jeffries incarnate, but something more like..a ghostly dictation device crossed with a smoke machine. the way it steamed up when he began speaking & ceased to steam when the conversation ended was reminiscent of the supernatural object that projected images for andy in the white lodge last week. and bells were present in both scenes.

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Posted : 22/08/2017 9:47 am
(@fullgomenakias)
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Posted by: Myn0k

I like this theory. 

Wouldn't be so certain it should be marked as "solved" though 😉

not sure who is marking it as such. it is not me 🙂

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Posted : 22/08/2017 12:37 pm
(@fullgomenakias)
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Posted by: Steve Moss

I like the idea that it is a prison.

If Mr C is the boss if the prison, it would make his working day easier if he could remember the coordinates to it's location. 

He didn't look like he knew his way around it or had free reign. I don't think he runs it at all. 

certainly not running it but he is not unwelcome there.  And  he knew where the Dutchman's is when Ray told him. 

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Posted : 22/08/2017 12:39 pm
(@fullgomenakias)
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Posted by: William De Bruijn

Thank you for elaborating on the suggestions I made earlier Fullgomaniak, but it's becoming a bit of a mess now. As I suggested in the earlier motel thread Mr. C visited the Black Lodge and is not questioned or stopped, but he doesn't own the place. It is owned by Mother and BOB and it appears when and where and how théy want it to. 

http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/discuss/twin-peaks-part-15/jeffries-hotel-with-key-teresa-banks-threesome-spot/paged/2/

If Mr. C would be the owner of the 'prison' he would have called for the #8 key. Judy would not need to tell him that she/he can open up for him. So he is clearly visiting. And if the Black Lodge forces 'live above a convenience store' it means that they can also project things for visitors, just as Fireman (now he has a name, of 7 letters instead of 7 question marks, Solved) can do in his White Lodge. The presentation is to tell/show Mr. C that Phillip Jeffries used to be in motel room #8 to keep an eye on Teresa Banks work(in motel room #6) back in 1988.

 I DO like the new idea that the phone ringing announces the arrival (on foot, but he must have followed Mr. C from The Farm) of Richard though!

One last riddle: how did Ray know that Jeffries is to be found at The Dutchman's ('not even a place'. Mr. C: 'I know where it is')? 

 

Never said he owns the place or that he is the boss of it, you guys picked a word I wrote and drove it away from my point. I just said he is a boss of some sort meaning an authority within his territory and not Jeffries' teritory.

 

I read your posts, I m not sure if my post has anything to do with what you wrote. I can't say I understand your analysis, you bring in too many information and I feel confused when reading it.

 

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Posted : 22/08/2017 12:54 pm
(@fullgomenakias)
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I'm not even sure Jeffries was "there".  

to me the teapot/bell is clearly a spirit/soul trap device. A machine that has to do with electricity (the spirits' public transport 🙂 ) and designed to block a spirit/soul from possessing a  body. Could be Jeffries' soul in there or Jeffries' tulpa/doppel spirit, anything goes. Being 3 episodes away from the finale (not much time really to elaborate a full jeffries story) its pretty sure that this is jeffries or the scene is meant to create ambiguity forever. Whoever is in there, he is a prisoner, a spirit without a body. 

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Posted : 22/08/2017 12:57 pm
(@matthew_gladney)
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Posted by: fullgomenakias

 ...a prison. The woodsmen are guards and the Bosom woman the gaoler (by the way Bosom comes from a Dutch word that meant "enclosure").

The motel rooms are prison cells and Jeffries is a prisoner there.

Mr. C is not visiting Jeffries territory, it is his territory. Hence the ease in accessing it (woodsmen are just letting him in as if a kind of "boss" is in the building).

In fact, the scene with Jeffries is a sort of interrogation if you look at it closer. An interrogation that is not interrupted because Jeffries wishes to but by an alarm. The telephone alarms Mr. C that Richard is approaching his car, it is an immediate exit system from the prison dimension.

I would not be surprised if other known figures are also imprisoned there.

(it is called the Dutchman's because of the dutch painter floral patterns on the walls which have a significance I cannot figure out. Is the realist dutch painting seen by Lynch - the abstract contemporary painter - as a sort of creative prison?). 

This is a good theory. Well thought-out and explained. I like it.

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Posted : 22/08/2017 12:59 pm
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